The mark of a liar

First, the obvious: not every problem does or should reach the President’s desk, and not every decision can be or should be a Presidential decision. But if this problem didn’t reach the President’s desk, someone should become eligible for unemployment compensation:

Sebelius: Obama did not know about HealthCare.gov glitches before rollout
By Matthew DeLuca, Staff Writer, NBC News

Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services

President Barack Obama did not know about HealthCare.gov’s technical woes until after the flawed health insurance website was launched three weeks ago, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Tuesday.The president was made aware of the glitches as people reported problems “in the first couple of days” in the rollout of the site designed to help people access healthcare as part of the Affordable Care Act, Sebelius said in an interview with CNN that aired on Tuesday night.

Some Americans that the website has been anything but stress-free since open-enrollment launched on Oct. 1, and one survey found that only about 20 percent of people who tried to log onto government-run marketplaces including HealthCare.gov were able to do so without any technical bungles.

Users have gotten error messages, the Spanish-language version of the site has been delayed, and the government contract for the U.S. division of Canadian company CGI has tripled in cost. A June report from the Government Accountability Office warned that the website might not be ready for primetime due to a flurry of last-minute changes.

More at the link.

Now, we are being told by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, someone with 4½ years of responsible experience in that post, and someone who was Governor of Kansas for six years prior to that, is the daughter of another Governor, and who has a Masters of Business Administration from the University of Kansas, somehow didn’t realize that, with the President who appointed her facing a major political battle with the Republicans over defunding Obaminablecare, he ought to be informed about a looming major problem with the program on which he was expending so much energy and political capital to defend. And we are also being told, by implication, that either that the President didn’t ask about the state of the program, or he did ask and his subordinates lied to him.

It isn’t even a plausible lie, because, as Robert Stacey Stacy McCain noted:

Let’s call this what it is: A deliberate lie. Jeff Dunetz points out that concerns with the ObamaCare site made headlines in August:

Back in August the Health and Human Services Inspector General issued a report dealing concerns that the Obamacare website was months behind in testing. . . .

As reported by Reuters on August 6th:

. . . “They’ve removed their margin for error,” said Deven McGraw, director of the health privacy project at the non-profit Center for Democracy & Technology. “There is huge pressure to get (the exchanges) up and running on time, but if there is a security incident they are done. It would be a complete disaster from a PR viewpoint.”

Read the whole thing and be sure to hit Jeff’s tip jar. The entire ethos of Obama is about blame-shifting to avoid responsibility.

Now, unless President Obama is planning to suspend the 22nd Amendment and take a third term in office, he’s done on January 20, 2017; he can’t run for office again, so why have a subordinate tell a deliberate lie to try to shirk the responsibility? Heck, he could have said, “Yeah, I knew about it, but I didn’t want to give those scumbag Republicans any extra ammunition, and we kicked their sorry butts, didn’t we,” and half of the country — the dumber half, but that’s the Democrats’ base — would have cheered.

The mark of a liar is when he tells a lie — or, in this case, has a lie told for him — when the truth would have served him just as well. And there is no advantage for the President to gain by having this lie told, even if it is believed, because he can’t run for the office again.

Of course, accepting the responsibility when things go wrong has never been President Obama’s style; t’would diminish his aura of godhood. Perhaps that was the advantage he saw. That it was an obvious lie would never diminish his stature amongst the sycophants.

39 Comments

  1. Mr. Editor, you call them “sycophants” and I call them sociopaths. I guess that’s our tomato, to-mah-to moment.

    They’re all damn liars and have been running interception for this incompetent nincompoop for five years now. It’s what I call the “MEE” crowd. Media, Education and Entertainment. They would cover this phony’s ass if he murdered a bus load of school kids. Somehow it would become “the Republicans war on children”. You mark my words, within a week this whole “rollout” debacle will be “the Republicans fault”.

  2. See….and this was on FOX for cripes sake!

    Juan Williams excused the mind-boggling incompetence of the Obama administration’s HealthCare.gov implementation by claiming that “massive opposition (to Obamacare) from the Republicans” caused fearful system architects to “roll it out and see how it works for now.” Gosh, the only thing that remains is for President Obama to say that these poor programmers were “held hostage” by GOP press releases and speeches.

    Whooda thunk?

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2013/10/23/juan-williams-explains-it-all-massive-opposition-republicans-forced-rush#ixzz2iZWoBdfI

  3. Ah yes, DNW. And now the loop is complete. It’s uncanny how you understand their appetites.

    Now I head out to a Chamber of Commerce meeting at 4PM. This should be good since it’s the first since “the Rollout”. See ya’ll later.

  4. Obama claimed he didn’t know about Eric Holder’s gun running operation, Fast-n-Furious, and he claimed he didn’t know about the IRS program to suppress the TEA Party, and he claimed he didn’t know about the lack of security or the cries for help from Benghazi, and he claimed he didn’t know about the NSA snooping into the private communications of American citizens and foreign heads of state or FOX NEWS reporters.

    Obama claimed ObamaCare would reduce costs, but it increased them instead. He claimed you could keep your current health insurance, but that’s not true either, and he claimed you could keep your doctor but that decision is beyond the reach of all but the most affluent Americans now.

    Now, Obama claims he didn’t know the health care website wasn’t ready to launch, but like the little boy who cried Wolf, no one believes him, Obama’s told so many lies over such a long period of time that lying is just about all he has left. Today’s lies propping up yesterday’s lies, and so on and so on, year after year, lie after lie.

    And he has to keep on lying or like a string of dominoes once one falls they all fall one after another. Lie on top of lie on top of lie till the whole rotten fabrication crumbles like a house of cards. Everyone knows he’s lying. Even his most reliable bootlickers know he’s lying, even as fresh lies flow from their lips to cover for his long stale string of self-serving deceptions and outright lies. Corruption begetting corruption ad nauseam.

  5. It’s one thing to lie when you need to lie, when there is something that could be gained by lying (as long as you don’t get caught). There are times when the President needs to lie, to protect national security interests. If someone had asked the President about SEAL Team 6 during the operation that kiled Osama bin Laden, it would have been necessary and proper for the President to lie.

    But when there is nothing to be gained by lying, when the truth cannot hurt you and may actually serve you better, only the born liar, only the pathological liar, continues to lie.

  6. And now new lies and as usual, the MEE cover for him. This time, the media.

    In 2010, the Washington Times was virtually alone among media outlets in reporting that the Obama administration, despite presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign promise never to entertain such deals, had entered into a no-bid contract with KBR, a former subsidiary of Halliburton, “worth as much as $568 million.” It turns out that CGI, the Canadian company which is the lead firm in the design and rollout of HealtCare.gov, also has a no-bid contract with the federal government. But an AP search on “CGI no-bid” (not in quotes) comes up empty. A Google News search on the same string (not in quotes) returns only four times, none of which are establishment press outlets (as would be expected, the Washington Times is one of the four).

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/#ixzz2ibNMHqAh

    Obama, the biggest liar ever to inhabit the White House, protected by his sycophants merrily goes on his way. And the beat goes on, the beat goes on.

  7. Feds reviewed only one bid for Obamacare website design
    By RICHARD POLLOCK | OCTOBER 13, 2013 AT 10:11 PM

    Senior CGI executives met with top White House officials and attended a number of invitation-only… Senior executives from CGI Federal — the company that won the Obamacare website contract –… Federal officials considered only one firm to design the Obamacare health insurance exchange… The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services awarded GCI Federal $55.7 million to launch…

    Federal officials considered only one firm to design the Obamacare health insurance exchange website that has performed abysmally since its Oct. 1 debut.

    Rather than open the contracting process to a competitive public solicitation with multiple bidders, officials in the Department of Health and Human Services’ Centers for Medicare and Medicaid accepted a sole bidder, CGI Federal, the U.S. subsidiary of a Canadian company with an uneven record of IT pricing and contract performance.

    CMS officials are tight-lipped about why CGI was chosen or how it happened. They also refuse to say if other firms competed with CGI, or if there was ever a public solicitation for building Healthcare.gov, the backbone of Obamacare’s problem-plagued web portal.

    Instead, it appears they used what amounts to a federal procurement system loophole to award the work to the Canadian firm.

    CGI was one of 16 companies that had been qualified by HHS during President George W. Bush’s second term to deliver, without public competition, a variety of hardware, software and communication products and services.
    In awarding the Healthcare.gov contract, CMS relied on a little-known federal contracting system called ID/IQ, which is government jargon for “Indefinite Delivery and Indefinite Quantity.”

    CGI was a much smaller vendor when it was approved by HHS in 2007. With the approval, CGI became eligible for multiple awards without public notice and in circumvention of the normal competitive bidding procurement process.
    More Here:
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/feds-reviewed-only-one-bid-for-obamacare-website-design/article/2537194

    OK I can do a “You got a lotta ‘splainin to do Lucy” The way CGI got this “No Bid” contract wasn’t a slight of hand or no bid, they just used expediancy. By that the Gummint puts out a Synopsis of Services to be provided. In this case it was IT Services through the ID/IQ Contract. That means “Indefinite Quantity/Indefinite Delivery” The ones we did like that in the COE usually covered only one aspect of work. This one should have been labeled IT Services for Programs. Don’t know if it fit that description. BUT it should been awarded with the type of labor and hourly costs. This one????? Then on the original bid, the gov’t issues a Contract with the base limits for the whole contract. Then within those limits, the gov’t can write specific Purchase Orders for a specific product with hours to be used etc. and it is negotiated with a capped amount.

    Now this looks like they took the base ID/IQ contract and bastardized it with changes. What is really needed is the Contract Documents, Purchase Orders and the Contracting Officer who signed and allowed all this.

    THE BASE ID/IQ CONTRACT SHOULD SPELL OUT THE MAX THAT CAN BE SPENT WHETHER IT WAS ONE P.O. OR 100 P.O.’s

    Here’s the REGS for it. http://acquisition.gov/far/html/Subpart%2016_5.html

    If I had the original ID/IQ Contract and PO’s I could tell you if the KO exceeded their scope and/or warrant. I’m betting they did. Give me a day, I’ll give you a direction this went. Chances are the central records don’t exist in true government contract forms and followed all laws and regs. BTW, I did it correct for years and know how far it can be LEGALLY Stretched. Some at work didn’t and……….

  8. To say that Obama (and his toadies) lie is like saying that pigs sleep in their own shit. All you are doing is stating an obvious fact that everyone knows by now.

    Regardless, this SNAFU in rolling out the E-version of Obamacare is good news. Incompetence on the enemy’s part is always good news!

  9. Incompetence on the enemy’s part is always good news!

    Or as Napoleon said “Never interrupt the enemy when he’s making a mistake”.

  10. Meanwhile, back in the real world

    —–
    The Affordable Care Act is already working: Intense price competition among health plans in the marketplaces for individuals has lowered premiums below projected levels. As a result of these lower premiums, the federal government will save about $190 billion over the next 10 years, according to our estimates. These savings will boost the health law’s amount of deficit reduction by 174 percent and represent about 40 percent of the health care savings proposed by the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform—commonly known as the Simpson-Bowles commission—in 2010.

    Moreover, we estimate that lower premiums will lower the number of uninsured even further, by an additional 700,000 people, even as the number of individuals who receive tax credits will decline because insurance is more affordable.

    In short, the Affordable Care Act is working even better than expected, producing more coverage for much less money.
    [...]
    Conclusion

    In the spring, CBO will update its baseline projection of the Affordable Care Act. When it does, the agency will take into account the actual experience of premium rates for plans offered in the marketplaces in 2014—which are significantly lower than projected. We estimate that the savings to the federal government will be about $190 billion over the next 10 years. This is an important early indication that the Affordable Care Act is working even better than expected to lower health care spending and federal deficits.
    —–

  11. That is so cute. Citing the Center for American Progress as a reputable source. Bless your dumbass little heart. A few radical commies in New York and California, the North Koreans and now you actually read that propaganda cite. I guess we’re lucky you’re not a skinhead or you’d be citing the KKK cite for your bona fides. You never tire of making a dumbass out of yourself, do you?

    What’s next? The Philosophical Works of Allan Grayson, Six Ways To A Beautiful Face by Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, or Ethics by Hillary Clinton? All about as convincing as that bullshit cite. Poke, poke.

  12. That is so cute. Citing the Center for American Progress as a reputable source.

    “Topher Spiro is the Vice President for Health Policy at the Center for American Progress. Jonathan Gruber is professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.”

    You’re not fooling anyone, moron.

    So what are you going to do when the CBO comes out with a report in spring backing up these findings? Are you going to flounce around claiming the CBO is “socialist” and “radical” as well?

    Idiot.

  13. No one likes “being lied to”, idiot. But I will tell you one thing, IF the CBO should come out with such a dubious report “in the spring” then that’s their report. But you’ve had your “Look, squirrel!” moment. But at this point the whole thing is SHIT!

    Now I don’t know about you but I don’t necessarily believe every fucking word of the CBO, do you? Poke, poke.

    “Topher Spiro is the Vice President for Health Policy at the Center for American Progress. Jonathan Gruber is professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.”

    So you are definitely saying that because a commie has some “credential” he’s an expert beyond reproach with absolutely no agenda? Cause if you believe that I have some swamp land in Florida for you. You pick and choose your “experts” like you pick and choose your cites. Neither can be too leftist even when they make you lokk the fool dumbass. Poke, poke.

  14. Hoagie,

    As you already know the point is the individual mandate, and the individual mandate is fascism.

    What slight modifications to the swastika so as to represent, pan-racial fascism, rather than mere national socialism, would parallel the Democrat Party’s move to outright fascism?

    Maybe a swastika right in the middle of Obama’s circular hope and change thingy?

    Grayson could wear one on his lapel quiet comfortably. Wassermann-Shultz would naturally deck herself out in calf-high leather commissar lace-up boots, with leather coat with a fancy little worker’s cap of the same material. Posed feet apart, fists on hips … we’ve seen those images somewhere before.

  15. No one likes “being lied to”, idiot.

    Uh-huh.

    “[Obama] is the largest spender in history whether the history books like it or not. Plus, he already managed to get us downgraded and we’re headed that way again.” – Hoagie, Thursday, 10 October 2013 at 16:21

    “Dumbass, you’re a liar. I never stated Obama got the US downgraded. I stated it occurred on his watch. Don’t they teach librarians reading comprehension down there? Dumbass.” – Hoagie, Thursday, 10 October 2013 at 22:53

    You know all about lies, Hoagie.

    And, of course, you dismiss everyone who tries pointing out reality to you as a “commie” – precisely because it protects you from the hard work of having to think. Do you have any proof that Spiro and Gruber are members of the Communist party – or did you just reflexively dismiss them because they are to the left of you and pointed out a fact you are too scared to acknowledge?

    That’s worked out really well for you in the past, hasn’t it, when you were one of the idiots claiming the polls predicting Obama over Romney were skewed…

    Waiting for your proof on Spiro and Gruber, you lying sack of shit.

  16. So let’s see – Gruber

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gruber_%28economist%29

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    Dr. Jonathan Gruber is a Professor of Economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he has taught since 1992. He is also the Director of the Health Care Program at the National Bureau of Economic Research, where he is a Research Associate. He is an Associate Editor of both the Journal of Public Economics and the Journal of Health Economics. In 2009 he was elected to the Executive Committee of the American Economic Association. He is also a member of the Institute of Medicine, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the National Academy of Social Insurance. In 2011 he was named “One of the Top 3 Most Innovative and Practical Thinkers of Our Time” by Slate Magazine.

    Biography

    Gruber was born on September 30, 1965. He completed his B.S. in Economics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1987 and his Ph.D. in Economics from Harvard University in 1992.

    Gruber started his career as an assistant professor of economics at MIT. Currently, he is a professor of economics at MIT. He is also a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research.

    Jonathan Gruber lives in Massachusetts. He is the son of the NYU Stern finance professor (emeritus) Martin J. Gruber.
    Research

    Dr. Gruber’s research focuses on the areas of public finance and health economics. He has published more than 140 research articles, has edited six research volumes. He is a co-editor of the Journal of Public Economics, an Associate Editor of the Journal of Health Economics, and the author of the widely used textbook, Public Finance and Public Policy.[1] and is also the author of “Health Care Reform”, a graphic novel delineating the Affordable Care Act. In 2006, he received the American Society of Health Economists Inaugural Medal for the best health economist in the nation aged 40 and under.[2] He was elected a member of the Institute of Medicine in 2005.
    Public service

    During the 1997-1998 academic year, Dr. Gruber was on leave as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Economic Policy at the Treasury Department. From 2003-2006 he was a key architect of Massachusetts’ ambitious health reform effort, and in 2006 became an inaugural member of the Health Connector Board, the main implementing body for that effort. In that year, he was named the 19th most powerful person in health care in the United States by Modern Healthcare Magazine. During the 2008 election he was a consultant to the Clinton, Edwards and Obama Presidential campaigns. During 2009-2010 he served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration and worked with both the Administration and Congress to help craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
    —–

    Nothing about the Communist Party there.

    Waiting for your proof, you lying sack of shit.

  17. And Spiro

    http://www.americanprogress.org/about/staff/spiro-topher/bio/

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    Topher Spiro
    Vice President, Health Policy

    Expertise: Health care

    Topher Spiro is the Vice President for Health Policy at American Progress, where he leads the Health Policy team that includes former Obama administration official Zeke Emanuel, former Medicare administrator Don Berwick, and Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD). Spiro’s work has been published in The New York Times, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Christian Science Monitor, The Atlantic, Politico, The Hill, and the Annals of Internal Medicine. He has also testified before Congress and appeared on National Public Radio.

    Prior to joining American Progress, Spiro worked on health care reform at both the federal and state levels. He served as deputy staff director for health policy for the U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions under Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) and Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA). At the committee, Spiro was a member of the team that drafted the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010. He has also served in other senior roles in the Senate, as senior policy advisor for Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI), and for the Senate Special Committee on Aging. In addition to his Senate service, Spiro served as health policy director for the Rhode Island Healthcare Reform Commission, where he coordinated implementation of health reform and led the stakeholder-consultation process for the Rhode Island Health Benefits Exchange.

    Spiro received his B.A. from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University and his J.D. from the University of Virginia School of Law.
    —–

    And nothing about teh Communist Party there either.

    Waiting for your proof, you lying sack of shit.

  18. Don’t need proof, you do since they belong to a Communist outfit you MUST prove they are the exception rather than the rule. Now, you’ve pointed out that at least one of these two reprobates was born in 1965 which means his entire education indoctrination took place when the Ayres’ and Dornan’ were rising to power in the leftist incubator of American education. Therefore, they like you Dumbass, have no reasonable expectation of actual truth in learning. And like you, there is by the rest of, us zero expectation of rational thought, morality, humanity or success at anything but continuing in academia or politics since none of you have any marketable skills in real world application. Hence, you’re a low level government stooge, a librarian, and they are consultants to a Commie “think tank”. Put any of the three of you in a situation where you would need to perform a task a buyer would actually pay for and you’d all starve to death.

    Now if you really want credentials in economics Dumbass, I have in my hand my latest Investment Report from Fidelity Investments for the quarter 7/1 to 9/30. This is only one of eight retirement accounts but it’s a good illustration of someone who DOES rather than a dumbass who TALKS. On 4/1 my balance in the Fidelity Nordic Fund (FNORX) was $757,891. As of Sept. 30 it was $897,043. That means I picked up $139,152 in that quarter. That’s about $46,000 a month. How’d you do? How’d Messrs.’ Spiro and Gruber do?

    Poke, poke.

    You know Dumbass, it’s so cool knowing that Eric, John Hitchcock and I get free rent in your head any time we want. Poke, poke.

    You can call me a liar all day long but every time you quote me….I WIN!!! And even if you believe me a liar, I’m a richer, happier, and more loved liar than you’ll ever be. Poke, poke.

  19. Hey Dumbass, I just ran across proof that Gruber and Spiro are card carrying communists. Please give me your name and address and I’ll be glad to forward all this information to you. I’ll FEDEX it at my own expense. Poke, poke.

    You make it so easy to fuck with your head Dumbass I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.

  20. Don’t need proof, you do since they belong to a Communist outfit

    No, they do not.

    http://www.americanprogress.org/about/mission/

    —-
    As progressives, we believe America is a land of boundless opportunity, where people can better themselves, their children, their families, and their communities through education, hard work, and the freedom to climb the ladder of economic mobility.

    We believe an open and effective government can champion the common good over narrow self-interest, harness the strength of our diversity, and secure the rights and safety of its people. And we believe our nation must always be a beacon of hope and strength to the rest of the world.

    Progressives are idealistic enough to believe change is possible and practical enough to make it happen.
    —–

    You are a lying sack of shit.

    Hey Dumbass, I just ran across proof that Gruber and Spiro are card carrying communists.

    No, you have not.

    You are a lying sack of shit.

    And note well WHY you lie – because you are unable to deal with the facts as presented by people who know better than you.

    You make it so easy to fuck with your head Dumbass I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.

    Then why is it, Hoagie, that you’re the one ranting?

  21. I’m not ranting, you are. I’m not balled up in a fetal defensive position, you are. I’m not calling everyone a liar, you are. I’m not obsessed with personalities on this blog, you are. Plus, Eric, Hitchcock and I live in your head rent free. You’re psychotic and the only one who can’t see it is you. Sad really. You know, you’d probably be a lot happier person if you were just a bit nicer to everyone. Hell, they may even develop a respect for you in stead of a view of pathetic contempt.

    Now prove I’m a liar and give me your name and address. If I fail to send you the info on your commie (and I also think they’re gay) idols, then I will admit I lied. Call my bluff or you are a raving, ranting lying, full of shit Dumbass. Go ahead, call my bluff. Poke, poke.

    Just as an extra, I’ll include a copy of the Fidelity Account (account number redacted) so you can make an attempt to invest for your future. Perhaps you won’t need to suckle at the teat of society if you can make it on your own. Come on, save the poor taxpayers of New Zealand a few bucks. Besides, how much longer do you think you can screw around on their computer, on their time before they give you the old heave ho?

    Admitting you’re a dumbass is the fist step on your road to recovery. I’m rooting for you Dumbass, you can do it.

  22. I’m not ranting, you are. I’m not balled up in a fetal defensive position, you are. I’m not calling everyone a liar, you are. I’m not obsessed with personalities on this blog, you are. Plus, Eric, Hitchcock and I live in your head rent free. You’re psychotic and the only one who can’t see it is you. Sad really. You know, you’d probably be a lot happier person if you were just a bit nicer to everyone. Hell, they may even develop a respect for you in stead of a view of pathetic contempt.

    Hoagie, here’s a friendly suggestion. Just ignore [The Thing] as I declared I would do last weekend. It simply isn’t worth the time or bother any more. We both agree that [The Thing] could be a decent person if it wanted to make the effort. But it doesn’t. It is, at best, the grown-up version of a childish brat who has learned it can get attention by scrawling dirty words on the bathroom wall. It wants attention, so why give it the satisfaction of giving it any?

    Ignore it, and in a few days it will shut up. Even a brat stops throwing tantrums when it realizes the adults refuse to pay him any notice.

  23. because you are unable to deal with the facts as presented by people who know better than you.

    Says the idiot who said Thomas Jefferson wrote the Constitution. ‘Nuff said.

  24. Eric, I honestly want to ignore it, but it’s so much fun fuckin’ with it. Look at his its paranoid/schizoid reaction…liar, liar, liar.. It’s soooo much fun. How many of its buttons can I push today? Perhaps this will be the day we can witness the Total Meltdown. I used to find it boring, vulgar and a complete lowlife. I still do, but now I know it can’t stop thinking of us and it’s screwing with its brain. Plus, his its constant liar, liar, liar paranoia is so cheeky to see. It’s only a matter of time until it goes completely nuts and I must admit Eric, I want to be part of that experience. I want to be able to say to God on Judgment Day “See that fucked up commie, Lord? I did that”. As we watch it slide into the depths of depression perhaps never to return we can take solace in that is was we who did it. And it’s on the edge Eric. Just a few more pushes and it’s bat-shit crazy. I wonder what happened to it in its life that made it so dark. Perhaps it was molested, or bullied, or perhaps its’ a girl trapped in a boys body. I don’t know what caused it but man I am thankful fate has allowed me to watch its descent into abject insanity. Besides, it’s a Dumbass! Hell, the other day I agreed with it about subsidies and it still went nuts. Total lack of self control. Hey, it may be just a dumbass but it’s OUR Dumbass!

  25. Eric, I honestly want to ignore it, but it’s so much fun fuckin’ with it. Look at his its paranoid/schizoid reaction…liar, liar, liar.. It’s soooo much fun.

    If playing with this plaything gives you fun, then have at it!

    To me, it’s like a cat. A live cat can be a lot of fun, especially if it us affectionate and playful. But a dead cat is no fun at all. All it does is stink up the house and attract flies. About the only worthwhile thing you can do with a dead cat is grab a shovel and bury it behind the garage.

    [The Thing] to me is a dead cat. But if it is still a live cat to you (regardless of how ill-bred and bad tempered), then by all means use it for entertainment value.

  26. Neera Tanden
    Chief Operating Officer of Center for American Progress (since February 2010)

    “As Clinton’s adviser, she proposed and pushed a mandate that all individuals to buy government insurance.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/neera-tanden/gIQAwSpQ9O_topic.html

    But, no … she’s no fascist … sure she’s not. LOL

    Hoagie, I’ve got to say that your dyslexia and casual commenting style notwithstanding, we already knew you were smarter, better educated, wealthier, happier, and had achieved more in real life for yourself and others than Phoenician in a Time of Romans has or could ever hope to.

    But if this humorous roll-in-the-mud exchange with Phoenician in a Time of Romans has demonstrated anything, it has once and for all demonstrated how in an intellectual spitting contest you clearly outclass the neurotic NZ dweeb as well.

  27. Why thank you DNW, but I must admit I took my queue from you. Reading many of your relevant posts I realized that to take the Dumbass seriously was indeed giving it more credit than it deserved. Only then did I understand that separating myself from it and poking it with a stick as often as I could was much more rewarding than actually engaging it in discourse. Having realized we were living rent free in it’s head it was then easy to have fun. It strikes out, it curses, it name calls and each time it does, we win!

    Like you pointed out above, a “progressive” to it somehow becomes not a commie but some sort of altruistic American patriot simply because they say they are. Yet it knows that we know that a liberal is a commie, is a progressive, is a Marxist, is a Nazi, is a leftist and so on. Like a chameleon is a chameleon regardless of the color it displays. It may live in denial as to exactly what it is but that does not mean we have to.

    And that denial, that ability to puff up its own pathetic importance and intellect is specifically what makes it OUR Dumbass. Poke, poke. In other words some clowns credentials from MIT somehow trump mine from Princeton not because it’s a better or lesser school but simply because Dumbass agrees with the commie rather than the Austrian. Therefore it’s not based on fact but on opinion and that opinion is based on theory and whether Dumbass understands it or not neither opinion nor theory is fact.

    Now ropelight, you need to explain to me what your comment to Eric means. Have I missed something (which I’m apt to do)?

  28. Hoagie writes,

    Now ropelight, you need to explain to me what your comment to Eric means. Have I missed something (which I’m apt to do)?”

    Ropelight, I think, believes that even kicking a troll is a waste of time and counterproductive because it only encourages them – as trolls like the attention even if it is negative; and because, probably, that there are serious constitutional issues facing us that might be resolved with a focused display of political energy in a way which directing vituperation at one emotionally defective lefty personality will not.

    That is why I thanked him for the reminder to me the other day.

    And, as a group we have certainly give the troll a lot of attention.

    But though you have had numerous exchanges with the troll, you’ve always held your fire to a certain level; always held out an olive branch and assumed potential fellowship possibilities.

    He proved that was not the case.

    So now that you have in reaction kicked him full in his clattering green teeth with a humorous disdain and contemptuous wit he lacks the intellectual capacity to match, you will probably be better able to ignore the twerpy son-of-a-bitch in future, and let Dana deal with his link-an-insult game.

    You can ignore trolls, you can abuse them, you can spike their heads into the dirt (ban them) but you cannot reason with them: because they are ultimately not about reason.

    Unfortunately, “troll” and “political progressive” are essentially synonymous terms, as the personality traits and needs that drive their behaviors, whether in virtual or real life, are much the same.

  29. I get it DNW and since I respect you, ropelight, Eric and the Editor I will take your advice to heart and discontinue dialogue with Dumbass. Furthermore, should he attempt discourse with me I’ll ignore it. There is no reason to potentially poison the blog over a dumbass. That is self defeating. Besides, just knowing we’re in his head and he can’t shake it is reward enough. I will rely on the good taste of the blog itself to edit out the incorrigible insults and I will be oblivious to such. Thanks again gentlemen.

  30. Hoagie said,

    I get it DNW… Besides, just knowing we’re in his head and he can’t shake it is reward enough. I will rely on the good taste of the blog itself to edit out the incorrigible insults and I will be oblivious to such. Thanks again gentlemen.

    Just so it is clear. When I said,

    ” … now that you have in reaction kicked him full in his clattering green teeth with a humorous disdain and contemptuous wit he lacks the intellectual capacity to match …”

    I meant it.

    You have delivered that pathetic troll one of best in-his-face, up close and personal floggings he’s received. The best, because it hilariously hit him where it counts for him: right in his awareness of his deep inferiority. The best because when he comically makes it personal, he simply cannot compete on a personal level with you. The best, because his manifest inferiority – which he frantically tries to mask with links and insults – becomes apparent in every area from education, to achievement, to raw intellect when he’s shown up in just that particular way as the plodding dullard he is.

    You deserved the privilege of cutting loose on him. For my money you could have continued to kick the stuffing out of him until the cows came home or until Dana banned him. I would have continued to look in and laugh all the while.

    The applause wasn’t sugar coating a message to tone it down.

    Frankly, I didn’t think you had the desire or the will to really pull the knife out and stick it in him and twist. But you did.

    Dyslexic, hell.

    Princeton and Vietnam: I should have known better. LOL

  31. Since The Center for American Progress was mentioned as a “reputable” citation check this out from Hot Air.

    Column: How the Center for American Progress conquered America

    BY: Matthew Continetti
    October 25, 2013 4:59 am

    Last night the Center for American Progress celebrated its tenth anniversary with a “Progressive Party” at the Andrew W. Mellon Auditorium on the National Mall. Don’t feel left out: I wasn’t invited either.

    The partygoers had reason to celebrate. Over the last decade the Center for American Progress, also known as CAP, and its political arm, the CAP Action Fund, have established themselves among the most influential policy and activist organizations in America. CAP has revenues of $34 million. Its alumni occupy positions inside the Obama administration, in media, in business, and in the academy. Speakers at its policy conference this week included cabinet secretaries Kerry, Perez, and Lew; the presidents of the NAACP and the SEIU; the two liberal hosts of Crossfire; the leaders of left-wing parties in Canada and Australia; and Al Gore. President Obama, President Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid all said nice things about CAP in its anniversary video. From its headquarters on H Street, in downtown D.C., CAP exerts a pull over the Democratic Party like no other liberal institution. The right has no equivalent.

    I don’t know how to do a link but you really need to read about these commie pigs at hot air. If The Editor could link this for me I’d be grateful.

    [Linked as requested; no changes made to text. -- Editor]

  32. How fortuitous, the commie Gruber was on O’Reilly tonight spouting his George Soros funded “economics for dummies”. He appears to be in his mid thirties, just the right age to have the experience, education and wisdom needed to espouse national economic policy. (sarc) And I’m sure with the many decades of experience in the health care/ health insurance/medical industries he’s just a bottomless well of knowledge on the topic. Well, at least he and any ass that would agree with him thinks so.

    Where in the hell does the left gat these dumbass “experts” from. Oh I know, they mint them in the world of leftist education. Never mind. Does no one on the left have any real world experience at anything other than moving their lips?

  33. You can call me a liar all day long

    Actually, I call you a lying sack of shit. And demonstrate it.

    Where’s the proof Gruber and Spiro are Communists, you lying sack of shit?

  34. He appears to be in his mid thirties, just the right age to have the experience, education and wisdom needed to espouse national economic policy. (sarc)

    Does he punk out like a scared Brownie when asked to prove his claims, you lying sack of shit?

    Where’s the proof Gruber and Spiro are Communists, you lying sack of shit?

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