Department of Injustice Joins Anti-Zimmerman Protests Before Trial – And Here We’ve Been Taught Justice Is Blind. Fooled Again.

In the United States, Justice is supposed to be BLIND. It should be in Ideal Cases that the Courts deliver a fair and just trial to be judged by a Judge, or a Jury of the defendant’s peers. The Justice Department for its symbol has the scales of justice to be equal and blind. Or as Sgt. Friday would say, just the facts, ma’am, just the facts. As said, in all trials this is the ideal, but we know “things happen” and if severe enough, a mistrial happens. This is a statue representing Blind Justice:

However, our present Department of Injustice has forgotten this. It started its tenure in 2009 by dismissing a guilty plea by persons obstructing the voting process. We see the myriad of scandals with NSA, IRS, and others. Most of this is being done by Omission, than Commission. Or, don’t say anything and it may disappear. But with the George Zimmerman trial Withholder’s Department of Injustice has sunk to another new low in that they campaigned and spent TAX DOLLARS to vilify the Defendant, Zimmerman. See below. This is how Justice Feels now. In Shame.

Newly Released Documents Detail the Department of Justice’s Role in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests
DOJ deployed obscure section to play role in Florida protests.

July 10, 2013 – 9:29 am

Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained documents proving that the Department of Justice played a major behind-the-scenes role in organizing protests against George Zimmerman. Zimmerman is on trial for second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin in February 2012.

Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the DOJ on April 24, 2012. According to the documents JW received, a little-known DOJ unit called the Community Relations Service deployed to Sanford, FL, to organize and manage rallies against Zimmerman.

Among JW’s findings:

March 25 – 27, 2012, CRS spent $674.14 upon being “deployed to Sanford, FL to work marches, demonstrations, and rallies related to the shooting and death of an African-American teen by a neighborhood watch captain.”

March 25 – 28, 2012, CRS spent $1,142.84 “in Sanford, FL to work marches, demonstrations, and rallies related to the shooting and death of an African-American teen by a neighborhood watch captain.”

March 30 – April 1, 2012, CRS spent $892.55 in Sanford, FL “to provide support for protest deployment in Florida.”

March 30 – April 1, 2012, CRS spent an additional $751.60 in Sanford, FL “to provide technical assistance to the City of Sanford, event organizers, and law enforcement agencies for the march and rally on March 31.”

April 3 – 12, 2012, CRS spent $1,307.40 in Sanford, FL “to provide technical assistance, conciliation, and onsite mediation during demonstrations planned in Sanford.”

April 11-12, 2012, CRS spent $552.35 in Sanford, FL “to provide technical assistance for the preparation of possible marches and rallies related to the fatal shooting of a 17 year old African American male.” – expenses for employees to travel, eat, sleep?
JW says the documents it obtained reveal that CRS is not engaging in its stated mission of conducting “impartial mediation practices and conflict resolution,” but instead engaged on the side of the anti-Zimmerman protesters.

More here:

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55 Comments

  1. Let’s see, starting back in the CSPT arguments days and working our way to the present it goes like this:

    Zimmerman chased a child-like black youth down, and shot him merely for walking through the neighborhood on his way to his very own townhouse.

    Well ok, maybe it’s more like,

    Zimmerman profiled a candy buying child because the child was black, and then chased him down despite a police operator’s commands to stop, provoked a confrontation with the child, and then shot him at a distance. Why, there was even a network news graphic illustrating exactly this.

    Well ok, maybe it’s more like,

    Zimmerman profiled a youth and tried to follow him while talking to a police operator, and maybe he even stopped when the police operator told him he didn’t need to do that. But then, Zimmerman failed to go directly enough back to his car, and got in a “fight” or “scuffle” with the youth, and maliciously and unfairly used his gun to kill the unarmed youth.

    And, Zimmerman clearly had suffered no injuries.

    Ok, maybe Zimmerman did suffer some injuries. But they didn’t look so bad being recorded hours after they were treated by paramedics on the scene and cleaned up, and then broadcast via edited TV network clips with their obscuring graphic overlays.

    Ok, Maybe Trayvon did get virtually home as he told his “girlfriend” on the cell phone; and then had to have, if she is telling the truth, doubled back hundreds of feet in order to confront Zimmerman.

    And yeah, maybe Trayvon did sucker punch Zimmerman, breaking Zimmerman’s nose, and did then jump on top of a prostrate Zimmerman and start punching him and pounding his head on the concrete, as the bloody wounds in the now available unedited photos of Zimmerman’s face and scalp unfortunately do show.

    But Zimmerman deserved it: because he profiled a child … yeah sure ok, Trayvon was really 17 years old, 6 feet tall and 165 lbs and suspended from school, and liked to boast about punching people out to his friends, and no he was not really a familiar resident there, but that’s irrelevant … and well, Zimmerman never should have gotten out of his own vehicle in his own subdivision, in the first place.

    And moreover, killing someone who is trying to beat you to death during a legally unjustified physical assault is no excuse. It’s anti-social, anti-community, and selfish.

    Besides, Trayvon did have an excuse to assault Zimmerman. Zimmerman had “gotten in his space” (thank you Perry).

    What’s “his space” you ask? Well, as the evidence of the shooting location shows, it is in excess of 200 feet from the townhouse condo Trayvon was visiting; the condo to which Trayvon had through self-report, and mere minutes prior to his death, virtually returned while talking to his “girlfriend” about having successfully “fled” Zimmerman.

    And besides, Zimmerman was, in Travon’s words as reported by the same charming “girlfriend” Ms Jeantel, a “creepy ass white cracker”.

    Zimmerman obviously deserved a beating and maiming just for that; not even taking into consideration the racist impertinence of Zimmerman’s even noticing a stranger, the hooded Trayvon, ambling through the subdivision in the rain.

    A claim of self defense is just no option when you are guilty of all that.

    Just ask Perry, aka Wagonwheel. He’s currently covering this big and very current news in detail, and explaining his reasoning on the site Dana has provided for him. Isn’t he?

  2. If there is an acquittal, as the evidence shows there should be, and there are riots and deaths as a result, how much responsibility do you think those like your “friends on the left” Perry, and Phoenician in a Time of Romans, will accept? You know, those persons who are on record fanning the flames of mindless outrage based on what were falsehoods?

  3. Then there is this:

    Ex-Police Chief Claims He Was Pressured and Then Fired for Not Arresting George Zimmerman: ‘They Just Wanted an Arrest’
    Jul. 10, 2013 9:07pm Jason Howerton

    Former Sanford, Fla., police chief Bill Lee on CNN Wednesday claimed he was fired last year because he refused to arrest George Zimmerman just to appease an outraged public. Hey says there wasn’t enough evidence to warrant an arrest in the killing of Trayvon Martin, a fact that didn’t matter to some city officials.

    More:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/10/ex-police-chief-claims-he-was-pressured-and-then-fired-for-not-arresting-george-zimmerman-they-just-wanted-an-arrest/

  4. If there is an acquittal, as the evidence shows there should be, and there are riots and deaths as a result, how much responsibility do you think those like your “friends on the left” Perry, and Phoenician in a Time of Romans, will accept?

    They’ll only accept instant execution in the Courtroom.

  5. Given the last few days, the Persecution side basically asked the judge for any kind convition base so the jury can at least convict Zimmerman of Littering for leaving a shell casing on the ground. They need a conviction at any cost to avoid riots. Thank you PMSNBC for making this instantly racial.

  6. Yorkshire says:
    Thursday, 11 July 2013 at 14:19

    Given the last few days, the Persecution side basically asked the judge for any kind convition base so the jury can at least convict Zimmerman of Littering for leaving a shell casing on the ground. They need a conviction at any cost to avoid riots. Thank you PMSNBC for making this instantly racial.”

    The extremely strange behavior of the judge in bypassing Zimmerman’s attorneys in order to repeatedly address (badger) him directly on his intention to testify or not, highlights another of the kangaroo court-like aspects of this proceeding.

    Zimmerman is of course formally presumed to be innocent of 2nd degree murder until proven guilty of it. There is no reason why he should testify when the facts of the case can testify for him, and so many of the prosecution’s witnesses have already inadvertently done so.

    Thus the judge’s proviso bracketed wheedling, was clearly intended to nudge or bait Zimmerman toward getting on the stand and subjecting himself to Bernie de la Nifong’s histrionics.

    She, Nelson, in effect said: ‘Now you don’t have to get up here if you think it will likely incriminate you of course, technically it is your right. But would you like to be a brave boy and testify anyway, and clear up any lingering questions? It’s your decision and yours alone to make, not your counsel’s. They are not trying to stop you are they? Would you like to get on the stand so Mr. de la Nifong can have at you? Or would you prefer to hide?’

    And she did this repeatedly despite the objections of his attorneys which she repeatedly overruled.

    Of course compared to Perry’s rhetorical efforts to lynch Zimmerman, that may not seem to be much. But then she’s the judge in Zimmerman’s trial, whereas Perry and the boy from BF Oceania were just malicious freelancers.

    The longer this case goes on, the more it illustrates the literally murderous malevolence of the “progressive” class as a whole.

  7. The longer this case goes on, the more it illustrates the literally murderous malevolence of the “progressive” class as a whole.

    One could hope for a mistrial, or hung jury and watch Progressiveland go crazy. Not guilty or guilty, they would not get their pound of flesh as they want. And why should Zimmerman testify, afterall, the Persecution side did a fantastic job for him. It was close to having two defense counsels.

  8. Well, looky here, speculation of influence on the judge.

    Judge In Zimmerman Case Pressured by Obama Administration?
    July 11, 2013/ RedFlag

    (PAUL JOSEPH WATSON) — Speculation is raging that the judge in the George Zimmerman case could have been put under pressure by the Obama administration after she staged a bizarre outburst during which she interrogated Zimmerman while repeatedly silencing his lawyers.

    The hostile exchange began when Judge Debra Nelson asked Zimmerman if he planned to testify.

    Essentially, Judge Nelson told Zimmerman he had the “absolute right to remain silent” but then proceeded to demand he answer her questions interrogation-style while silencing his lawyers.

    More here

    http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/judge-in-zimmerman-case-pressured-by-obama-administration

  9. From your linked article”

    “Now some are asking the question – did Nelson’s aggressive outburst represent an attempt to prejudice the jury against Zimmerman?”

    It was my impression that the jury was out of the room when she asked those questions.

    And of course there wouldn’t have to be any special communications with Nelson in order for her to feel anxious to please the administration and undermine Zimmerman. And knowing there were cameras in the room she may have wished to go on record as “trying to do something”, if he is acquitted.

    What the prosecution and the left needed to do was to convince people that there was a “fight” rather than an assault and beating, that Zimmerman getting out of his car was sufficient to provoke it, and that Zimmerman was just getting the beating he deserved when he killed an unarmed “child”.

    This is because the objective facts, and the testimony if it is to be believed, make it clear that Trayvon must have circled back to search for and confront Zimmerman after making it virtually home and leaving Zimmerman far behind and looking around the wrong place in the gathering darkness.

    By getting Zimmerman on the stand they would try to make the most of the fact that Zimmerman was 20 to 40 feet off the direct path back to his truck when he was being beaten by Trayvon.

    This is important in attributing some initiating blame to Zimmerman, in order to counterbalance the impression given by Dee Dee Jeantel’s testimony that Trayvon had told her that he had lost the creepy ass white cracker, and that he was safe and only two units or so away from the Green Townhouse.

    Yet Trayvon was found dead of a gunshot wound shortly after, some 250 (very prox) feet away from home.

    If Jeantel is telling the truth, then Trayvon had to have gone back looking to confront Zimmerman.

    The only way to make it look less bad is to hammer Zimmerman personally for being off the pass-through sidewalk and even so much as 10 feet into the lawn walkway between the rows of townhouses. The prosecution would try to make any dawdling look like a hunger to murder Trayvon.

    What they would do with a Zimmerman admission that while waiting for the police he might have stood with his flashlight on the sidewalk, peering down the gap between the townhouse rows, and then responded to an approaching Martin’s call out as to whether he had a problem or some such, is too obvious to further belabor.

  10. There is a huge thread on the subject on Patterico’s Pontifications, with 2,235 comments so far. One commenter, who styles himself as Gramps2, appears to be Perry, or at least so Hube and ropelight believe.

    My position is that Mr Zimmerman was the proximate cause of the whole situation, by trailing Mr Martin, but his actions still remained legal. This pissed off Mr Martin, who, not realizing that Mr Zimmerman had two of his friends, Mr Smith and Mr Wesson, as backup. Mr Martin was clearly winning a fight, having Mr Zimmerman down on the ground and pounding on him, which removed the possibility of flight from Mr Zimmerman. It was at that point that Mr Zimmerman’s friends came to help, and the outcome of the fight changed rather suddenly. Mr Zimmerman’s actions may have led to the fight, but it was Mr Martin who actually broke the law by attacking Mr Zimmerman. The verdict should be not guilty.

    (Actually, Mr Zimmerman’s weapon was a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm.)

  11. not realizing that Mr Zimmerman had two of his friends, Mr Smith and Mr Wesson, as backup

    There was a great line in James Michiner’s book “Centennial” It went something like, some men are built short, and some men were built tall, but Mr. Colt made them all equal.

  12. Editor says:
    Friday, 12 July 2013 at 18:42

    There is a huge thread on the subject on Patterico’s Pontifications, with 2,235 comments so far. One commenter, who styles himself as Gramps2, appears to be Perry, or at least so Hube and ropelight believe.

    My position is that Mr Zimmerman was the proximate cause of the whole situation, by trailing Mr Martin, but his actions still remained legal. This pissed off Mr Martin, who, not realizing that Mr Zimmerman had two of his friends, Mr Smith and Mr Wesson, as backup. Mr Martin was clearly winning a fight, having Mr Zimmerman down on the ground and pounding on him, which removed the possibility of flight from Mr Zimmerman. It was at that point that Mr Zimmerman’s friends came to help, and the outcome of the fight changed rather suddenly. Mr Zimmerman’s actions may have led to the fight, but it was Mr Martin who actually broke the law by attacking Mr Zimmerman. The verdict should be not guilty.

    (Actually, Mr Zimmerman’s weapon was a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm.)”

    Too bad Perry has not seen fit to address this matter on the bandwidth you have provided him. I wonder why …

    And I agree, based on what I have seen and heard, about the verdict.

    That said, I think your take, and believe it or not, I understand the impulse, is too generous to Martin – well, too generous depending on what you actually mean by “proximate cause” … emphasis being on the term “cause”.

    If you merely mean Zimmerman’s presence in his vehicle on the street, and his call to police while in that vehicle, precipitated a chain of events by stimulating Martin to react in a certain, and peculiar, way, then I suppose I would have to concede the point.

    But frankly the term “fight” has been bandied about in what I view as a much too loose and misleading way. In the case of some, this use is clearly intended to establish a context suggesting an initial moral parity; a context implying a mutual willingness to engage in and escalate to a physical confrontation.

    This is clearly what one of the commentators I screen captured for my TBD post was suggesting.

    I have been in fist fights, and so have you no doubt. I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Zimmerman and Martin squared off and set to.

    Being sucker punched to the ground in the midst of a verbal exchange and then leaped upon while dazed and disoriented and having your head banged on the pavement, is not what is generally termed a fight. If that is what happened, and I have seen no evidence in court that it wasn’t, then it’s an assault and battery perpetrated by one person on another.

    I will admit that some people would rather take a vicious and maiming beating than kill to stop or prevent it. While others, perhaps myself included, will react ah, vigorously let’s say, to anyone presuming to lay unwelcome hands on us. Your own mileage may vary with your culture, genetics and religious convictions.

    Trayvon, child saint that he may have been, seems to have had a bit of a history of unexpectedly punching people. Or at least he seemed eager to claim credit for it. And even some of his left-wing defenders accede to the idea that he struck first by surprise. They just don’t see anything wrong with his doing it.

    And, unlike you, they do seem to see something wrong with Zimmerman responding to a maiming battery with deadly force; even if we grant that that battery was in no way justified under any theory of law either common or statutory.

    Perry of course, is on record to this effect: asserting that Travon’s assault on Zimmerman was justified. He said this was because in getting out of his vehicle, in his own subdivision, in order to follow after a Martin who began running off with no apparent reason after approaching and peering into the vehicle at Zimmerman, Zimmerman had gotten himself into Trayvon’s space.

    “Trayvon’s space” according to Perry, apparently extends some 70 yards in all directions from wherever Trayvon stood; no matter who else, like Zimmerman for instance, happened to actually live in that space.

  13. GZ or anyone else could have followed TraMar all night long and still not have caused death or injury. Proximate cause must be directly related to the effect, not merely tangential to it. Following, may or may not result in violence but it doesn’t cause it, in this case the physical violence was initiated by TraMar, he closed on GZ, confronted him, and sucker punched him breaking his nose.

    TraMar’s unprovoked and violent assault on GZ was the trigger which initiated the chain of events leading to his death, had he not initially sucker punched GZ and continued his assault with a mounted MMA style ground-n-pound pummeling, GZ would not have been placed in fear for his life (GZ reported TraMar intended to kill him and said so) and would not have found it necessary to resort to his gun to prevent further injury or even death.

  14. Following, may or may not result in violence but it doesn’t cause it, in this case the physical violence was initiated by TraMar, he closed on GZ, confronted him, and sucker punched him breaking his nose.

    You don’t know that (see italics) for a fact, ropelight, in fact, you are making up your own scenario. You don’t even know that Z’s nose was broken, since there were no x-rays taken.

    Here is what we do know: George Zimmerman, empowered by his hidden, holstered firearm and his racial animosity (f**king punk, asshole), assigned himself the duty of a cop, in spite of the admonition of the dispatcher to not follow Trayvon. Had he not done that, there would have been no killing. Then after killing Trayvon, Zimmerman exhibited no remorse, instead proceeded to lie in retelling the events to authorities.

    Certainly Zimmerman is culpable and deserves punishment, at the very least by being convicted of manslaughter, which actually is my prediction of the jury verdict.

    This trial has also become politicized, where in general, unsurprisingly those on the Right want acquittal (see Patterico blog), whereas those on the left want a conviction (see MSNBC).

    Whatever the outcome, Trayvon is no longer with us, a lifelong burden of grief to his parents and family, and Zimmerman has altered his own life based stupidity and on the aftermath of this as yet alleged crime, whether convicted or not.

  15. This trial has also become politicized, where in general, unsurprisingly those on the Right want acquittal (see Patterico blog), whereas those on the left want a conviction (see MSNBC).

    Whatever the outcome, Trayvon is no longer with us, a lifelong burden of grief to his parents and family, and Zimmerman has altered his own life based stupidity and on the aftermath of this as yet alleged crime, whether convicted or not.

    Here’s how MSNBC made this Political right off

    Here’s how MSNBC framed the call:

    “This guy looks like he’s up to no good . . . he looks black,” Zimmerman told a police dispatcher from his car.

    What he really said:

    ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

    911 DISPATCHER: Okay, is this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?

    ZIMMERMAN: He looks black.

    As you can see, Zimmerman only mentioned Martin’s race after being asked by the dispatcher.

  16. This trial has also become politicized

    Sure, by people like you who want to make it all about race. Further, like the Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland, your approach is – Sentence first, trial, later.

  17. As you can see, Zimmerman only mentioned Martin’s race after being asked by the dispatcher.

    Right, York, but you’re making the mistake of producing FACTS. The approach of the left wing race hustlers is – Facts? We don’t need no steenking FACTS !!

  18. There is a huge thread on the subject on Patterico’s Pontifications, with 2,235 comments so far. One commenter, who styles himself as Gramps2, appears to be Perry, or at least so Hube and ropelight believe.

    I have tried to avoid paying this case any more attention than necessary. I feel the media is manipulating us into becoming obsessed with this case, and then, based on race, cheering for one side or the other. Well, I don’t like being manipulated and refuse to go along. Last night I went to flip on O’Reilly, who comes on at 7PM Central. Laura Ingraham was on instead, and ALL she talked about was this case. I watched a Jim Carrey movie instead.

  19. Prediction: If Zimmerman is acquitted in this trial, the Dept. of Injustice, through the prodding of Withholder and behind the scenes BO, will charge Zimmerman with violating Martin’s Civil Rights. No matter what, Zimmerman must be punished by the thinking of the Gummint.

  20. Right, York, but you’re making the mistake of producing FACTS. The approach of the left wing race hustlers is – Facts? We don’t need no steenking FACTS !!

    Yer right, what was I thinking????? Even though Zimmerman has Black and Hispanic roots, he’s still WHITE in the eyes of the Race Hustlers.

  21. Rebus says:
    Saturday, 13 July 2013 at 11:57

    Following, may or may not result in violence but it doesn’t cause it, in this case the physical violence was initiated by TraMar, he closed on GZ, confronted him, and sucker punched him breaking his nose.

    You don’t know that (see italics) for a fact, ropelight, in fact, you are making up your own scenario. You don’t even know that Z’s nose was broken, since there were no x-rays taken.

    Here is what we do know: George Zimmerman, empowered by his hidden, holstered firearm and his racial animosity (f**king punk, asshole),…

    Your parenthetical terms are not accurate terms, and do not demonstrate a racial animus on the part of the neighborhood watch captain.

    If you had become less lazy and more interested in truth during the last year and a half, you might have by now listened carefully to the conversation Zimmerman had with the dispatcher, and then quoted precisely.

    It seems however that the intervening months since March of 2012, when you brought this matter up on CSPT, still have not bestowed upon you the energy, the discipline, or enough integrity to do it.

    Zimmerman used the plural form in his terminology, and was clearly referring to a class of persons who had been breaking into townhouses in the subdivision … sometimes while they were occupied. He was referring to Trayvon not a member of a racial set, but as a suspiciously acting potential member of a set that had been recently and repeatedly victimizing residents.

    If there is any evidence of a preexisting racial animus and/or personal contempt, it is on the part of Trayvon Martin, who if the prosecution’s own witness can be believed, told her that he was being looked at by a “creepy ass white cracker” [@ 7:49 and following on direct]

    Of course you are already on record [under your real name] as saying that you thought Trayvon was justified in physically assaulting Zimmerman because Zimmerman had gotten in “Trayvon’s space”.

    ” … assigned himself the duty of a cop, in spite of the admonition of the dispatcher to not follow Trayvon. “

    You continue to peddle the line that has the neighborhood watch captain Zimmerman taking off after Trayvon Martin after the police dispatcher informs the watch captain that “we don’t need you to do that”. Yet you have not demonstrated any such thing, and your suggesting of timing is patently untrue.

    Zimmerman was only informed of that, as you should know, after having already left his vehicle in order to see where the young man who had been eyeing and apparently “circling” him as he sat in his vehicle, had suddenly sprinted off to.

    And the sounds on the recording itself have Zimmerman acknowledging the dispatchers remark, and his breathing slowing after doing so.

    Don’t you ever tire of deliberately spreading misinformation? Have you no commitment to truth and accuracy at all?

    “Had he not done that, there would have been no killing. Then after killing Trayvon, Zimmerman exhibited no remorse, instead proceeded to lie in retelling the events to authorities.”

    You have no grounds for saying that other than your spite. The same doctor’s report (covered in all places by an unsympathetic and mendacious ABC)that diagnoses Zimmerman with a broken nose, records his feelings of nausea and upset over the events.

    “Certainly Zimmerman is culpable and deserves punishment, at the very least by being convicted of manslaughter, which actually is my prediction of the jury verdict.”

    I’ll tell you – again – who’s morally culpable here, Perry. You. You personally, by name and address.

    You, and all the other equally malevolent and hysterical moral relativist leftists, out for blood, who will be in significant measure responsible for any judicial injustice or violence that might ensue as a result of this case.

    I swear, every time you open your mouth, you demonstrate yourself to be ever further beyond the moral pale. If there were a hell, an extra deep level would have to be dug to accommodate homicidally inclined and inveterate liars like yourself.

    “This trial has also become politicized, where in general, unsurprisingly those on the Right want acquittal (see Patterico blog), whereas those on the left want a conviction (see MSNBC).”

    And you have been right out there doing everything you possibly could to carry the water of the politicizers and outright liars in this case.

    “Whatever the outcome, Trayvon is no longer with us, a lifelong burden of grief to his parents and family, and Zimmerman has altered his own life based stupidity and on the aftermath of this as yet alleged crime, whether convicted or not.”

    How utterly sad to see what an ostensible human can descend to, when they lose any sense of an objective reality.

  22. DNW: All you need to know to determine Zimmerman’s state of mind while he was aggressively stalking Trayvon and afterwards to an officer is:

    These assholes they always get away.

    The back entrance … fucking [unintelligible]

    Then Zimmerman whispers something. “What is that you whispered?” the officer asks. “Fucking what?”
    “Punks,” Zimmerman says.

    Dispatcher: Are you following him?

    Zimmerman: Yes.

    Dispatcher: OK, we don’t need you to do that.

    Zimmerman: OK

    It is unforgivable for you DNW not to be sensitive to the racial tone exhibited by Zimmerman above. Are you immune to said racial tone? I think so, though I’m not at all surprised, remembering the obtuse machinations into which you contorted yourself in September 2012, pegging you as an apologist for the dastardly act committed upon a teenager by a wannabe cop empowered by the possession of a concealed firearm and the attitude of a racist, somewhat like yourself empowered by anonymity and an insensitive persona from your elitist perch, such that you will say anything no matter how extreme, no matter how ill-considered.

    Yeah DNW, like Zimmerman, you think you are pretty tough and invincible. You’re not tough! One more time, shame on you DNW! I await your commitment to “truth and accuracy”, but all I see from you here is erudite garbage and personal insults.

  23. Rebus quoted from the Zimmerman transcripts, and then asks:

    It is unforgivable for you DNW not to be sensitive to the racial tone exhibited by Zimmerman above. Are you immune to said racial tone?

    Oddly enough, I have been unable to find just what “racial tone” was exhibited by Mr Zimmerman above. He says nothing about race at al, but is obviously very frustrate that the “assholes” and “fucking punks” always get away. Unless you are trying to tel us that all “assholes” or “fucking punks” are black, it seems difficult to see how that attitude is defined as racist. From the transcript:

    1. Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department.
    2. Zimmerman: Hey we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy, uh, it’s Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
    3. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?
    4. Zimmerman: He looks black.
    5. Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
    6. Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now, he was just staring.
    7. Dispatcher: OK, he’s just walking around the area…
    8. Zimmerman: looking at all the houses.
    9. Dispatcher: OK…
    10. Zimmerman: Now he’s just staring at me.
    11. Dispatcher: OK-you said it’s 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
    12. Zimmerman: That’s the clubhouse…
    13. Dispatcher: That’s the clubhouse, do you know what the-he’s near the clubhouse right now?
    14. Zimmerman: Yeah, now he’s coming towards me.
    15. Dispatcher: OK.
    16. Zimmerman: He’s got his hand in his waistband. And he’s a black male.

    I just numbered the conversation lines for you. Mr Zimmerman saw someone acting suspiciously, and called the police. He never mentioned race until the dispatcher asked him what the race of the subject in question was, at which point he gave a tentative answer that “he looks black,” rather than “he’s black.” It sounds to me as though Mr Zimmerman did not know the race of the suspicious subject when he made the call.

    Then as the call continues, after Mr Zimmerman notes that the suspect is staring at him and then coming at him, he is able to make amore positive identification, “he’s a black male,” in the sixteenth line of the conversation.

    Mr Martin has already noticed Mr Zimmerman tailing him, and — at the very least — started staring at him, before Mr Zimmerman is able to say for certain that the fucking punk was black.

    Yet, even though you have seen this evidence before — unless you are somehow not Gramps2 over on Patterico’s site — you are calling it racism and racial profiling even though the evidence does not support your claim and this part of the transcript has been pointed out to you previously.

    Of course, we have had commenters before who cried “Racism!” at every criticism of President Obama, even though those criticisms were all concerning his actual job performance. The cry of “Racism!” is the quick and easy refuge of the liberal who doesn’t have an actual argument based on the facts at hand.

  24. Rebus says:
    Saturday, 13 July 2013 at 18:19

    DNW: All you need to know to determine Zimmerman’s state of mind while he was aggressively stalking Trayvon and afterwards to an officer is:

    These assholes they always get away.

    The back entrance … fucking [unintelligible]

    Then Zimmerman whispers something. “What is that you whispered?” the officer asks. “Fucking what?”
    “Punks,” Zimmerman says.

    Dispatcher: Are you following him?

    Zimmerman: Yes.

    Dispatcher: OK, we don’t need you to do that.

    Zimmerman: OK

    It is unforgivable for you DNW not to be sensitive to the racial tone exhibited by Zimmerman above.”

    I notice you do not cite your source, yet you are clearly copying and pasting.

    In any event, there is no racial tone exhibited, as there is no mention of race whatever; though those like you have previously tried to insinuate that there was, by misquoting the word “cold” for a racial epithet.

    ” Are you immune to said racial tone? I think so, though I’m not at all surprised, remembering the obtuse machinations into which you contorted yourself in September 2012,…”

    Here’s a snapshot of you from March 2012 on CSPT, referring to the kind of thing you are now calling “machinations”. If you recall, I have had to cite this passage to you before:

    ” Wagonwheel says:

    Tuesday, 27 March 2012 at 12:36

    DNW, you have presented an excellent review of the two scenarios and the differences. I have not seen the equivalent from the media, therefore I am hopeful that your post on here receives widespread publication, somehow.

    Perhaps you could submit it as a op/ed to a major newspaper, or volunteer to appear, on Fox News, because they have managed to screw up the coverage of this case pretty badly, injecting politics into the coverage, as has MSNBC as well, though at least the latter has had a greater variety of guests giving their views.

    I don’t agree with your last comment, because the motivation of all three are primarily to get the Sanford Police Department to behave the way we all expect our police to behave.”

    Full of praise then, you rewrite history now in order to buttress your current attempts to malign and deceive.

    ” … pegging you as an apologist for the dastardly act committed upon a teenager by a wannabe cop empowered by the possession of a concealed firearm and the attitude of a racist, somewhat like yourself empowered by anonymity and an insensitive persona from your elitist perch, such that you will say anything no matter how extreme, no matter how ill-considered.

    Yeah DNW, like Zimmerman, you think you are pretty tough and invincible. “

    Zimmerman seemed to be under no illusion that he was tough. And what my toughness or lack thereof has to do with any of this, and why it should be of concern to you, is something of a mystery. Unless that is, you are calling me out, or say, that creepy little Mike Ganzeveld of Iowa Liberal is still trying to on track me down. If that were the case, and considering myself in relation to either of you two obsessive and degenerated specimens, I am sure that I would prove more than tough enough.

    “You’re not tough!”

    I don’t know why you are obsessing about my toughness, or how it is relevant to the Zimmerman trial and facts. Or, how you would judge my toughness vis-a-vis yourself, if it came to that. Maybe you should just drop this angle while you still have your nose above grade, if only just barely. Working yourself into a Rumpelstiltskin-like frenzy cannot be good for your health – mental or physical

    “One more time, shame on you DNW! I await your commitment to “truth and accuracy”, but all I see from you here is erudite garbage and personal insults.”

    It’s no insult for me to say a liar is a liar, and you are a liar Perry. As for my erudition which you admit and my toughness which you don’t, well, time and tides will sort those things out.

  25. And now the Jury Confusion is there:

    Jurors in Zimmerman trial have question
    By TAMARA LUSH and MIKE SCHNEIDER
    Associated Press

    SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — After deliberating for almost eight hours Saturday, jurors deciding whether George Zimmerman committed a crime when he fatally shot Trayvon Martin stopped their work to ask the judge a question about manslaughter.

    “May we please have clarification on the instructions regarding manslaughter,” Judge Debra Nelson read from the jurors’ note before a courtroom that had rapidly filled up with lawyers, reporters and members of the families of Martin and Zimmerman.

    As jurors awaited an answer, Nelson talked to lawyers at the bench and then said court would recess for a half hour. When attorneys returned, prosecutor Richard Mantei said that after conducting research, he would suggest asking the jurors to elaborate. Defense attorney Mark O’Mara agreed.

    “Let’s get clarification on their confusion,” O’Mara said.

    Read it all here:
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEIGHBORHOOD_WATCH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-13-18-03-58

  26. I don’t know where Perry/Rebus/Gramps2 got the following supposed quotes which he presents as if they were taken from the Zimmerman to Sanford police department dispatch recording, since Perry doesn’t say. Perry merely offers the following:

    “These assholes they always get away.

    The back entrance … fucking [unintelligible]

    Then Zimmerman whispers something. “What is that you whispered?” the officer asks. “Fucking what?”
    “Punks,” Zimmerman says.

    Dispatcher: Are you following him?

    Zimmerman: Yes.

    Dispatcher: OK, we don’t need you to do that.

    Zimmerman: OK”

    For all we know this “version” is from Randi Rhodes, or some other commentary on the transcript. Perry doesn’t say.

    But it is certainly not the way any transcript of the call I have seen reads, nor the way the recording itself sounds.

    In what version then, of the Zimmerman to Sanford dispatch call, be it transcript or audio, does the dispatcher say, “What is that you whispered?” ?

    What is Perry doing here? He doesn’t cite, so we don’t know where he got it. But because he doesn’t cite, we have a good idea of what Mr. “Citation Please!” might be up to.

    The real transcript is of course widely available, as is the audio recording to which people may listen themselves

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68871920/News/George-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin

    http://audioboo.fm/boos/717340-george-zimmerman-call-to-police

    http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/326700/full-transcript-zimmerman.pdf

    http://www.motherjones.com/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman

  27. Today at
    Saturday, 13 July 2013 at 12:48 (24hr clock timing)
    I noted to rebus how the trial became instantly politicized with the help and backing of PMSNBC. Remember also there was pressure on the Police Chief from everywhere to make charges. The Chief refused, and quit and/or fired. Pressure applied from DC. Also helping make this Political was BO himself saying if he had a son, he would be like Travon.

    Here’s how MSNBC made this Political right off
    Here’s how MSNBC framed the call:

    “This guy looks like he’s up to no good . . . he looks black,” Zimmerman allegedly told a police dispatcher from his car and played it over and over. But what else to expect from the FAR LEFT?

    What Zimmerman and the Dispatcher REALLY SAID:

    ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

    911 DISPATCHER: Okay, is this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?

    ZIMMERMAN: He looks black.

    As you can see, Zimmerman only mentioned Martin’s race AFTER BEING ASKED BY THE DISPATCHER.

    HOW MUCH PLAINER CAN IT BE? As the say on Geico, it’s so plain even a 1st grader can understand it. But when the Left, Far Left, Progressives, Marxists and Race Baiters have an agenda to follow, it’s like Pilate asking Christ on Good Friday, What is Truth? But for that group, it’s in an obscure book to you, The Bible.

  28. Well I don’t know about that, Yorkshire. Are you the first grader to whom you referred?

    Nevertheless a jury from the deep South has spoken, and that is the final word re George Zimmerman in this case. Like I have said, the Right, by and large, has politicized this case, coming out on the other end insensitive to the dead teenager and his grief stricken but classy family. In my view, justice has not been served, but I must accept the verdict of the jury, because this is the way our jurisprudence system works. Race has been an underlying strain in the entire trial, not only regarding the defendant, but also regarding the machinations of the peanut gallery, like on this blog (see DNW).

  29. Rebus says:
    Saturday, 13 July 2013 at 23:07

    Well I don’t know about that, Yorkshire. Are you the first grader to whom you referred?

    Well, It’s the Verdict. Deal with it. Too bad for the Left who was waiting with a rope, noose and tree from Day 1. But have no fear, the racist Holder will bring charges for something. You know, like screw the Constitution and Double Jeopardy. It’s the BO’s Maladministration MO. So Shylock, or the Full Spectrum of the Hard Left will not get its Pound of Flesh.

  30. Anything the idiot who left a town because it was becoming too “dark” and now lives in a lily-white resort town says should immediately be discarded. The Right politicized this case? I always knew you were mentally unstable, and this further proves it. “White Hispanic” and selective editing of audio is THE issue of race here, and it was done by your fellow morons on the Left, sock puppet. The sooner you understand that, the better.

  31. Rebus wrote:

    Nevertheless a jury from the deep South has spoken, and that is the final word re George Zimmerman in this case. Like I have said, the Right, by and large, has politicized this case, coming out on the other end insensitive to the dead teenager and his grief stricken but classy family.

    :lol: “A jury from the deep South,” huh? Have you forgotten that Barack Obama carried Florida in both 2008 and 2012, and that this verdict was unanimous?

    Even you have admitted, assuming that you are also Gramps2 on Patterico, that the second degree murder charge was too far-fetched, and that Mr Zimmerman had to defend himself.

  32. Another aspect of this verdict: the judgement of the local officials, the ones who are supposed to investigate these incidents, gather evidence and decide if sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed, and who decided that no, there was no crime here, at least not one which could be proved in a court of law, has been vindicated.

  33. This is the difference that our friends on the left see: they feel that this verdict is simply unjust. The problem is that what is unjust — a disputable decision, and an idea framed in the minds of individuals — and what is actually a crime may be two different things. The law is (or should be) as specific as possible, is passed by our elected representatives, and is not something about which individual opinions really matter. Juries decide whether the evidence presented them falls within or outside the scope of the law, as it is written.

    For Mr Zimmerman to have been convicted would have been for the jury to ignore the actual law. What the liberals want would have been for the mob to drag Mr Zimmerman out and hang him from an oak tree.

  34. Rebus wrote:

    the Right, by and large, has politicized this case,

    This case was politicized when pressure from the left, including from the President of the United States, pushed state officials into overruling the decision by the proper, local officials that there was no case against George Zimmerman, and forcing one. The performance of the prosecution was poor, but understandable: they were trying to make a case when there was no case. More honorable individual prosecutors would have told the state, “There’s nothing here, and you’ll need to either drop this or find someone else to prosecute it.”

  35. Of course, Mr Zimmerman will hardly get away scot free: his life has been totally ruined. He is now virtually unemployable, because no business will want to hire him. Employers may very well wish him the best, and hope that he finds a good job, but they will want him to find that good job with someone else. No business will want to risk losing customers over Mr Zimmerman’s presence, and the possibility of organized boycotts or protests would make any businessman concerned.

  36. Zimmerman’s behavior in this event is only the latest in a continuing sequence of serious transgressions:

    It turned out this wasn’t Zimmerman’s first run-in with the law. He had previously been accused of domestic violence by a former girlfriend, and he had also previously been arrested for assaulting a police officer. More controversially, in July 2012, an evidence dump related to the investigation of Martin’s death revealed that a younger female cousin of Zimmerman’s had accused him of nearly two decades of sexual molestation and assault. In addition, she had accused members of Zimmerman’s family, including his Peruvian-born mother, of being proudly racist against African Americans, and recalled a number of examples of perceived bigotry.

    The national focus on the case also brought into question, for some, the character and life history of Trayvon Martin. As time passed, websites like The Daily Caller found Martin’s posthumously scrubbed Twitter page, which featured the teen at times tweeting profanities and showing off fake gold teeth. To some, these behaviors, along with the hoodie Martin wore the night he was killed, were an indication that he was something other than an innocent teenage boy who was shot while walking home from the store. To others, the attention paid to Martin’s tattoos, gold teeth and hoodie were symptomatic of the same kind of stereotyping and profiling that led to Zimmerman’s assumption that the teen was “up to no good.”

    Thus the perpetrator of this killing was far away from having a sterling character. In Trayvon’s short life, ended by a racial profiling and aggressive idiot, he exhibited questionable behavior as well, but not on the level of Zimmerman’s colored and unfortunate history.

    So yes, Dana is correct, Zimmerman has ruined his own life by his anti-social, racist, sexist and arrogant behavior. Who would ever want to be his friend? Maybe Hube? Maybe Ropelight? Surely DNW! Heh!

    Narciso on Patterico put forth this link, which I recommend be read by the thoughtful people on this blog.

  37. It is unforgivable for you DNW not to be sensitive to the racial tone exhibited by Zimmerman above.

    More evidence that left wingers are the moral equivalent of snake shit. You engage in the usual vicious lies and slander by calling Zimmerman a “Racist” without providing a shred of evidence, then try to morally attack another (It is unforgivable) for doing nothing but stating the facts as they exist in this case.

  38. I just numbered the conversation lines for you. Mr Zimmerman saw someone acting suspiciously, and called the police. He never mentioned race until the dispatcher asked him what the race of the subject in question was, at which point he gave a tentative answer that “he looks black,” rather than “he’s black.” It sounds to me as though Mr Zimmerman did not know the race of the suspicious subject when he made the call.

    You make the mistake of assuming Perry is arguing in good faith, and that a simple recitation of the facts will sway him. Since when have facts ever mattered to Perry? Like most left wingers, all that matters is his ideological agenda, and if it takes lies, smears, and slander to promote that, well, he’s certainly not going to allow a little thing like moral scruples to get in the way.

  39. Of course, Mr Zimmerman will hardly get away scot free: his life has been totally ruined. He is now virtually unemployable, because no business will want to hire him. Employers may very well wish him the best, and hope that he finds a good job, but they will want him to find that good job with someone else. No business will want to risk losing customers over Mr Zimmerman’s presence, and the possibility of organized boycotts or protests would make any businessman concerned.

    Actually, I think he will be okay. Most Americans (left wingers notably excepted) are fair minded and good hearted. Granted, he won’t likely get a job with the ACLU or MSNBC, but he will probably get a job somewhere. I, for example, would not hesitate to hire him if I were an employer and he had the requisite job skills.

  40. Rebus wrote:

    So yes, Dana is correct, Zimmerman has ruined his own life by his anti-social, racist, sexist and arrogant behavior. Who would ever want to be his friend? Maybe Hube? Maybe Ropelight? Surely DNW! Heh!

    No, Dana said that Mr Zimmerman’s life has been ruined by this trial and the accompanying notoriety. He said nothing about racism, because there is nothing in the case which proves him to be a racist — it appears that he didn’t know whether Mr Martin was black or not when he made the initial call to the police — and the only evidence you have provided speaks not to Mr Zimmerman but to other members of his family, and even that was motivated by dislike on the part of the accuser.

    More controversially, in July 2012, an evidence dump related to the investigation of Martin’s death revealed that a younger female cousin of Zimmerman’s had accused him of nearly two decades of sexual molestation and assault.

    Really? In July of 2012, Mr Zimmerman was 28 years old, but this woman was accusing him of sexual molestation and assault since he was between six and nineteen years old (that’s 14 years, not “nearly two decades”) never went to the police and we have no evidence beyond her say-so. You are presenting innuendo, not fact.

  41. How can one’s heart not go out to Trayvon Martin’s parents.

    And now we have the lowest of the low – the milking of other people’s emotions for one’s own political and ideological gain. We know, for example, that had the verdict gone the other way (meaning: the way you wanted) and Zimmerman sent to jail for the rest of his life, you wouldn’t have given a damn about HIS parents’ feelings AT ALL.

  42. Eric, I’d never hire him. I depend upon all of my customers, and some of them are black. I cannot afford to lose even one customer because he is upset with me for hiring Mr Zimmerman, and I sure don’t need boycotts or protests. I might hope that he got a good job, but I’d want someone else to be the man to give it to him.

    Of course, there’s another factor as well: Mr Zimmerman isn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. That he’s not guilty of any crime, and that the government tried to railroad him, does not make him either a saint or a great guy.

  43. [Guffaws!] Rebus wrote:

    Narciso on Patterico put forth this link, which I recommend be read by the thoughtful people on this blog.

    While Gramps2 wrote, on Patterico:

    narciso @ 394 provided us with this link to a very thought provoking piece, the crux of which boils down to this:

    One of us suspects that Rebus and Gramps2 might actually be the same person.

  44. One of us suspects that Rebus and Gramps2 might actually be the same person.

    And Perry, Wagonwheel, blah, blah, blah, etc.

  45. Eric, I’d never hire him. I depend upon all of my customers, and some of them are black. I cannot afford to lose even one customer because he is upset with me for hiring Mr Zimmerman, and I sure don’t need boycotts or protests. I might hope that he got a good job, but I’d want someone else to be the man to give it to him.

    Well, you know your work situation better than the rest of us. Still, I suspect if you hired him as a cement truck driver or some other low profile position, your customers, even the black ones, would probably care only that he deliver the load on time, not that he had just finished a high profile criminal trial. After all, even your black customers have to make money, and to let personal prejudice get in the way of a profit would be, well, stupid.

    I’ll grant Zimmerman would propably have a harder time in a high profile job, one where he was constantly exposed to the public, just because of the notoriety. But he isn’t applying for the job of movie actor or news commentator, so he probably doesn’t have much to worry about.

  46. I’d guess that even a McDonald’s wouldn’t want him working in the back, but if he ever did get a job, he’d probably be a reliable employee, who would show up for work, every day, on time, because he’d know how difficult it would be for him to get another job.

  47. Actually, I’m guessing that after this all blows over, say in about a month, and the media piranhas have moved on to a new scandal, Zimmerman will probably be OK.

  48. Guilty Until Proven Innocent: How the Press Prosecuted Zimmerman While Stoking Racial Tensions

    As we await the verdict in the trial of George Zimmerman, the Florida man who claims to have shot and killed teenager Trayvon Martin in self-defense, this seems the perfect time to reflect on the media’s cynical and dishonest role in turning a local crime into a national obsession.
    As you will see below, by hook and crook, the mainstream media did everything in its still-potent power to not only push for the prosecution of Mr. Zimmerman (the police originally chose not to charge him) but also to gin up racial tensions where none needed to exist.

    It all started with the anchor of a major television network (Al Sharpton) inserting himself in the story to spread division and hate; it continued straight through to the closing days of the trial when another major news network, desperate to keep a fabricated racial narrative alive, propagated the portrayal of Zimmerman as part of a racial group that doesn’t exist — the “white Hispanic.”

    In-between, there has been an astonishing amount of malicious fraud and lies, all in an effort to serve a president, stir racial hatred, and influence the justice system.

    February 26, 2012 – George Zimmerman Shoots and Kills Trayvon Martin
    Zimmerman claims self-defense. After an investigation, the police agree and decide not to press charges.

    This is a good recap of how the Lib Press Persecuted Zimmerman: Any blood from this is on their hands

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/13/Media-Zimmerman-Coverage-Rap-Sheet

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