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From Cassy Fiano Chesser of Victory Girls:

Feminists Throw Hissy Fit Over Victoria’s Secret Rape Panties

by CASSY on DECEMBER 14, 2012

Feminists love to describe our culture in completely random, nonsensical ways. From a culture of “oppression” to an imaginary war on women, they keep finding all kinds of ways to make sure that women know how gosh darn bad they’ve got it. Are you a woman who likes your life, is happy, and thinks men respect women? Well, too bad. You clearly are wrong!

The newest description is “rape culture”. Because, you know, in the United States there’s an overwhelming rape culture, or something. And this explains why I constantly have to hear rape jokes and about how it’s totally cool if men rape me, and how if they do, I’ll be the one punished. Oh, wait… that’s not the United States. That’s Saudi Arabia! My bad.

Anyway, a prime example of “rape culture” is Victoria’s Secret, whose panties apparently = rape. Or that rape is ok, anyway. They print slogans like “sure thing” and “unwrap me” on their thongs that women willingly buy! They’re feeding into the rape culture! Clearly, this calls for feminist intervention!

Enter FORCE, who decided to play a little prank. They snuck into Victoria’s Secret stores and planted anti-rape panties next to the oh-so-offensive pro-rape panties.

More at the link. An old friend from Mt Sterling, whom I haven’t seen in nearly forty years, and one of the bravest women I have ever known, posted a simple blurb on Facebook about a month ago:

feminism = the belief that females and males are equal human beings.
feminist = a person who believes that.

Now, she happens to be very liberal, and describes her political views as “Left of left.” I have absolutely no problem with the blurb, as she expressed it, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Mrs Chesser agreed. The problem is that some of the feminists on the left have laden down the concept of feminism with things which go far, far beyond the belief that men and women are equal human beings. To the feminist left, one cannot be a feminist unless he believes that abortion should be an unchallenged right — at the very least — and unless he is a loyal Democratic voter. And, to judge from the recent election, one has to also support the idea that the government will require insurance companies to pay for contraception as well.

What Mrs Chesser points out is that the “feminazis” are actually trivializing rape, trivializing a very serious problem. The woman who buys a Vicky’s Secret thong that says, “Unwrap me” is buying it to be seen by someone she wants to “unwrap” her. This is just one of the ways that some women choose to entice or please or seduce or whatever word you wish to use the men in whom they are sexually interested. FORCE’s “panty drop” won’t change that idea among women, but it will have the effect of pushing some further away from feminism.

Sister Toldjah wrote about the attempts by the gun-grabbers to politicize the Newtown, Connecticut massacre:

#CTshooting: MSM, Dems use tragedy to call for assault weapons ban tho handguns were used

December 15, 2012 at 12:03 pm

It never fails – the mainstream media and Democrats alike don’t let crises like yesterday’s horrific events in CT to call for more gun control:

Washington (CNN) — The White House said President Barack Obama supports reinstatement of a federal ban on assault weapons — a position he took in the 2008 campaign but failed to press during his first term.

“It does remain a commitment of his,” presidential spokesman Jay Carney told reporters as the nation reeled from a mass shooting in Connecticut that mainly killed school children.

An emotional Obama did not address that issue directly in a televised statement from the White House on the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown that killed 26 people but said something had to be done.

“We’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics,” said Obama, the father of two girls.

He wiped away tears when he spoke of the “beautiful little kids” killed in the massacre.

Police recovered three weapons from the scene: a semi-automatic .223 Bushmaster rifle, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both handguns, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

What has been confirmed: The weapons used yesterday to murder 26 innocents, including 20 children, were handguns. Not assault rifles. The handguns were legally registered to the murderers mother, who was also killed. The murderer also recently attempted to buy a rifle but was stopped due to, wait for it, the waiting period in CT – a state that is in the top 10 for strictest gun control laws in the country.

So tell me again why the demands again for a renewal of the assault weapons ban, and for “more gun control” – when an assault weapon wasn’t used yesterday and the guns that WERE used were legally registered but didn’t belong to the killer? How would a renewal of the assault weapons ban stopped yesterday’s massacre?? I mean, just hours into learning of what happened, I was hearing questions about renewing the assault weapons ban from CBS’ Norah O’Donnell and others, before we even knew what weapons were used.

More at the link.

There will be more stories coming out about the murderer, but at least from the initial information, the weapons were legally owned not by him, but by his mother, who was one of the people he killed. The murderer was 20 years old, legally an adult. His mother, the owner of the weapons used, lived in “a hilly, affluent neighborhood in the east end of town,” and ” a children- and family-friendly place.” Under any gun-control regime imaginable, other than one which simply banned private ownership of weapons, the murder’s mother would have been one of the people who would have been allowed to own firearms. Pandora of the Delaware Liberal made a brief post on the subject, and the commenters are blaming the National Rifle Association.

On a similar subject, William Teach noted that a Gallup Poll taken in 2011 found that 40% of Democrats owned firearms, and that 47% of all Americans have a firearm either in the home or elsewhere on the property. Another Gallup poll found that banning private ownership of handguns was opposed by a 73% to 26% margin.

Mr Teach concluded:

So, I reiterate: if Democrats want gun control, they need to give up their own guns. They need to disarm themselves….what’s that? You Dems say you often have guns for home protection, particularly in cities in which your own policies have made you less safe? And you’re a law abiding citizen? Not a threat to go batshit insane? Nope, sorry, doesn’t matter. Give them up.

Kind of like owning a Chevy Volt, gun control is really meant for other people, not for themselves.

William Jacobson of Le*gal In*sur*rec*tion noted that, despite what the media might have you believe, mass shootings are not on the increase.

Robert Stacey Stacy1 McCain has more on Adam Lanza, the murderer, as does Karen, the Lonely Conservative.

On a different topic, but also from Professor Jacobson, comes this photo, of a commercial van in the parking lot of a Goshen, Ohio, polling place on election day:

But, but, but June of 2009 was still the evil Booosh economy, while by November of 2012, President Obama was taking credit for how great things were.

Also on the economy, Donald Douglas noted an Investor’s Business Daily story, ”Obama’s Attacks On GOP Tax Policy Blunted By Own Data.”  Dr Douglas concluded:

They all knew this. Obama, David Axelrod, Stepanie Cutter — they all knew all of this.

Which is why they lied 24/7 about the problems facing the country and launched the most unprincipled demagogic smears against private property and wealth accumulation in modern history. And it worked! I doubt four more years of economic stagnation will help the party maintain its general election majority, but then again, I was wrong about 2012, so who knows? Maybe another paradigm of lies will lift these criminal authoritarians to yet another presidential win in 2016. Democracy doesn’t just collapse in one big instant, it withers away in the slow death of a thousand cuts. It’s withering now under the Democrats, but all is not lost. The republic will survive when enough people who’ve been butt-reamed and had the wool pulled over their eyes wake up and scream, “I’m not going to take it anymore!”

Well, who knows? By 2016, maybe 7+% unemployment will be the new normal, and, once again, the Democrats can bamboozle 51% of the electorate with screams about birth control and pushing Grandma off the cliff. But, eventually, Republican proposals for serious spending cuts will be put into place. It may be due to conservative electoral victories, or it might happen due to the country just going flat broke, but eventually, they’ll have to happen.

From Jazz Shaw at Hot Air:

Helpful union surrogate vows to chase Gov. Rick Snyder’s daughter to soccer game

POSTED AT 11:31 AM ON DECEMBER 15, 2012 BY JAZZ SHAW

The great thing about Democracy – as I’m sure you’ll all agree – is that once the campaigns, debates and battles are over and the people have spoken, everyone can pick up the pieces and get on with productive work to advance the principles each side believes in. Clearly, such is the case in Michigan, where defeated but undaunted union advocates have already begun dusting themselves off and …

Nope.

LANSING — A speaker at a union protest against right-to-work legislation said if Gov. Rick Snyder signed the bill he would get “no rest” and that protesters would be at his “daughter’s soccer game.” …

The Rev. Charles Williams II made the comments Tuesday to loud cheers before a group of thousands of union workers. After his promises to harass Gov. Snyder, he introduced Rep. Richard Hammel, D-Mt. Morris Township, and House Minority Leader Tim Greimel, D-Auburn Hills. Williams is a Detroit-area pastor and left-wing activist.

Gov. Snyder later that day signed a bill into law making Michigan a right-to-work state. One of his daughters is a 16-year-old high school student.

Well, that’s just lovely. The truly ironic part of all of this is that Governor Snyder wasn’t even working on the whole Right to Work thing as the initial part of his term. He was pushing for some fiscal sanity and spurring job creation. It was the people of the state who elected representatives in the legislative branch who brought the issue forward. At that point the governor had to weigh the merits of the legislation and act upon it. And yet those who came out on the short end of the stick feel that democracy is best served by chasing his 16 year old daughter around to school events.

Should the governor be worried? Well, given the calm, reasoned welcome that Steven Crowder received from these guys, it should certainly give him pause. The governor, of course, should have access to some form of personal security which will hopefully keep him and his family safe from violence, but the same can not be said for everyone else in the state who may be hoping to find a job. But in the meantime, Reverend Williams and his flock will be hanging around the soccer field.

More at the link. Union thugs are union thugs. Most union members aren’t thugs, but there are enough of them who are to get reactions like this.

Our too-infrequent visitor L D Jackson has a post concerning Senator Tom Coburn’s (R-OK) statements that the Republicans will have to accept higher taxes, but that the GOP needs to “extract spending cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security” in return.

Bridging the Gap has now exceeded four months without an original post.

Finally, my older daughter bought her first car today, and I am proud to say that she bought an American car, a Mercury Milan, which is a Ford Motor Company product! All of our vehicles are Fords.
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  1. Sorry, but my sister’s name is Stacey, and that’s how I spell it!

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  1. Finally, my older daughter bought her first car today, and I am proud to say that she bought an American car, a Mercury Milan, which is a Ford Motor Company product! All of our vehicles are Fords.

    I’ve yet to own an American vehicle. Three motorcycles and three cars. One Suzuki, One Toyota, and four Hondas (two motorcycles, two cars). No one in our family owns an American car, or has in at least 20 years.

    It’s a shame, but for too long they made crap. Now they’re paying the price. GM may go broke again, and Chrysler is now owned by Fiat. Other than the Dodge Viper, the Chevy Corvette, and maybe a couple of Cadillacs, they are still mostly making crap.

    GM and Chrysler shouldn’t have been bailed out. They should have been sold to companies that actually know how to make good cars, like Honda and BMW.

  2. Eric, my young friend. Three cars and three motorcycles? Really? How quaint. I owned my last motorcycle, a Norton, in 1972. But motorcycles don’t count in this topic, we’re talkin’ cars here. And I’m the Car Guy. I’ve owned over 70 in my life, from Volkswagen to Rolls Royce. I now own three: a Lincoln MKX, a Jaguar XK and a Corvette Z06. All three American (don’t let the Jag throw you), and all three absolutely wonderful cars. Performance, handeling, comfort, options, power, ….by any standard. And I’m not kidding, I had my first RR at the old age of 27. It was used, but it was a RR Silver Cloud III, and it was fantastic! Also had a Cloud I, two Silver Shadows and a Cornish Convertable, a Bently R Type Saloon, a Bentley Brooklands, a Ferrari 308GTi, a Lotus Elite, a Jensen Interceptor, Triumph TRIII, Sunbeam Tigre, two MG’s (one a “A” and on a “TF”), a ’57 Thunderbird, a 2006 T-bird, a 2003 Prowler, and about six Corvettes (my favorites)…….it goes on and on. I love cars, particularly British cars but within the last 20 years American cars hold their own in quality vs price. By the same token I find German cars over rated and uncomfortable. Guess it’s just a matter of taste. Now, I’ve also had Mazdas ( my favorite was a Miata-fun as hell ), a couple Toyotas, a Hyundai (yes) and for business I bought a Kia once and it was a great little car. One cool little car was a Pontiac Solstice…nice little car but underpowered.

    Now ask me about the Classics I’ve had. Love “old” cars. Love to restor them and show them off. No hot rods for me, just perfect origional restorations (though I do like hot rods). How about a 1936 Cord 856 Boatail Speedster…Supercharged? Mine was yellow with a red gut. A Lancia Beta Coup? Perhaps a ’57 Caddy Biarritz ( all aluminum ). Common’ babe talk cars to me! 1976 Pontiac Granville rag top, 1970 Caddy DeVille rag top, 1965 Fleetwood, on and on and on. A ’51 Vauxhall? No, never heard of it? ’70 Fiat Spyder. On and on and on.

    How about this one: a 1976 Fleetwood Talisman ( I believe one of 140 built) a four seat custom Fleetwood! A Gull-wing Brickland in Neon Green? Talk cars with me.

    BTW Eric, I have one friend with a new Caddy CTS-V and one with a new Bentley GT. If I blindfolded you you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference in ride and handling. Now if I could just find someone with a Bugatti!

  3. The car I always wanted was a Ferrari Daytona convertible, the one in the movie Gumball Rally. That was a great flick for any car nut, a real 427 Cobra (try finding one of those today), two babes in a Porsche, two old British drunks in a Mercedes, A corvette (it broke in two in a crash) and a very young Gary Busey in 70 or so Camaro with a stick shift. And they drove the hell out of those cars, too. Pure porno for any car nut!

    Anyway, great flick, and funny as hell. Basically made a mockery of the old 55 speed limit, which of course everyone hated. The whole thing was based on an illegal coast to coast car race that actually happened back in the 70′s. They just “fictionalized” it a bit for entertainment’s sake. Much better than the Burt Reynolds “Cannonball Run” movies. The cars were the starrs. So go check it out.

    Also, read PJ O’Rourke as he and his boss drive a Ferrari from coast to coast in his book Republican Party Reptile. Hilarious! Best road trip story I ever read. PJ is the biggest car nut I’ve ever read, as well as being a great political writer. And totally politically incorrect. He actually brags about driving drunk and on drugs while getting blowjobs from teenage girls, although maybe he made that last part up. Gotta be the greatest writer in America. Absolutely funny as hell.

    Anyway, thanks for the car stories. Sounds like you had a lot of fun. You’re a hell of a guy, Hoagie, we ought to meet up if you’re ever in Southern California. We could go drive the Angeles Crest highway together, then hit Hollywood for some steaks and drinks. My treat.

    Later, dude!

  4. What has been confirmed: The weapons used yesterday to murder 26 innocents, including 20 children, were handguns. Not assault rifles.

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    NEWTOWN, Conn.–Dr. H. Wayne Carver, the medical examiner investigating Friday’s massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, said autopsies completed on 20 children and six adults on Saturday showed they were killed with multiple bullets fired by a rifle at close range.
    [...]
    The veteran medical examiner told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old suspected shooter, used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.
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  6. “Bridging the Gap has now exceeded four months without an original post.”

    How about that? Nothing new since August. Just goes to show you when a leftist gets something for free from a conservative they still don’t know what to do with it. I wonder if there’s a lesson somewhere here?

  7. #CTshooting: MSM, Dems use tragedy to call for assault weapons ban tho handguns were used

    I suppose by now you know the truth, Mr Editor, but no retraction from you so far. I understand that you people would prefer to be in denial, as if that somehow moves you further away from this tragedy, which you are right in the middle of it, because you are Americans. Yet no response to this from the likes of Hoagie and Eric, as they prefer to talk and think about cars and good times. Speaks volumes.

    No, Mr Editor, the two hand guns were not used, only the military assault rifle was used, by a deranged person, to pump over a hundred shots into the bodies of 20 first grade children, plus several teachers, the principal, and several other school employees, and his own mother.

    Besides the deceased, how many others in Newtown and elsewhere are impacted by this horrendous event? Assault rifles don’t kill people, people do, isn’t that right righties?

    Other than the military and law enforcement officials, please tell me why we allow assault rifles in the hands of anyone else?

    The NRA has misused the Second Amendment to justify practically free access to assault rifles for any American. Brilliant! And in light of recent tragedies, no change with the gun lobby and our politicians who support them. Sick!!!

    Thirty one pro-gun Senate Republicans were invited to participate on Meet the Press this morning to defend their position. How many accepted the invitation? Not a one of them! They all really do know there is no defense, really, but later, at a more opportune time, they will resume their defense against gun restrictions. Bet on it! Events have no impact on these people.

    Moreover, over a period of a half a century, we have defunded agencies who treat our mentally ill citizens. However, the good news is that the Affordable Care Act is a step toward restoring coverage for mental health issues.

    Unfortunately, violence is part of our culture. We have more murders per capita than any other developed nation. Why is this true?

    Easy access to guns, especially assault rifles, inadequate care for the mentally ill, our culture of violence, isn’t it time to focus on these issues and become proactive about them. I say YES!

    And I say to President Obama: It is time for you to lead, Mr President!

  8. Earth to Perry: It was groups like your beloved ACLU who backed deinstitutionalization and who routinely “inform” the mentally ill that they have the right to refuse treatment. If you bozos get your way, people won’t have arms to protect themselves from the deranged loons you “inform” of their “rights.”

    And tell us: What is the essential difference between a “military assault rifle” and your typical hand gun? Both require a separate pull of the trigger to fire the weapon. But no, you want to create a false impression — that somehow the assailant used a fully automatic weapon, like way too many other deranged radicals.

    Editor posted with the information initially available. Maybe he’ll issue an update after you finally acknowledge your threats and accusations. Talk about denial!

  9. The Rise and Fall of Mass Shootings.

    But the fact is that, while mass public shootings always tend to galvanize massive media coverage, they are becoming increasingly less common, falling sharply in the last decade compared with the previous two.

    Although mass public shootings may seem to be on the rise, newly compiled data show that there were 24 such incidents in the past decade. While that’s still significantly higher than the average of the first eight decades of the 20th century, it does mark a significant decline (nearly 50 percent) from the 43 cases in the 1990s.

    Highly publicized shootings often renew the call to either loosen or tighten gun laws, but the availability of guns doesn’t appear to be much of a factor. Right-to-carry concealed firearms laws do not have a significant impact on mass public shootings, according to a peer-reviewed study I co-authored with Tom Kovandzic and Carl Moody. And rates of gun ownership remained relatively constant in the last several decades of the 20th century, when mass public shootings were on the rise.

  10. Other than the military and law enforcement officials, please tell me why we allow assault rifles in the hands of anyone else?

    I could sort of accept a ban on assault rifles, but I don’t think it will do much good. Granted, no one really needs one, other than for self defense in case the shit really happens.

    Funny, I don’t have any guns at all. Well, except for a hunting rifle, which I’ve never used. I’m big enough that no one’s gonna fuck with me. But a 100 lb woman is another matter.

  11. Earth to Perry: It was groups like your beloved ACLU who backed deinstitutionalization and who routinely “inform” the mentally ill that they have the right to refuse treatment. If you bozos get your way, people won’t have arms to protect themselves from the deranged loons you “inform” of their “rights.”

    I hate to say it, but the ACLU was right on that one. They used to just lock people up for no reason at all, and good luck getting out once you were there. We don’t need any more “One flew over the cuckoo’s nest” type situations.

    Besides, with most of these people, you never know they’re gonna snap.. They just go berzerk one day out of the blue. Good luck preventing that.

  12. And I say to President Obama: It is time for you to lead, Mr President!

    That would be a first. This quack hasn’t lead on the economy for four years. Or the deficit, either. Like I said, it”s Jimmy Carter Part Deux.

  13. “Yet no response to this from the likes of Hoagie and Eric, as they prefer to talk and think about cars and good times. Speaks volumes.”

    Speaking for myself Wagonwheel, all I’ve heard are a bunch of muddled info so far. I try not to comment out of (a-hem) emotion and would rather wait for as many actual facts as I can.

    “No, Mr Editor, the two hand guns were not used, only the military assault rifle was used,”

    I rest my case! A Bushmaster .223 carbine IS NOT A MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE! You know NOTHING about firearms ( like so many subjects you seem ready to comment on ) but you keep on talkin’. Just because Bushmaster chose to use the design of the AR-15 does NOT make it an assault weapon. You used the term “assault rifle” four times to MISLABEL a carbine. You see what you want to see and not the truth Wagonwheel. And at .223 cal. the gun in question was little more than a target gun, plinker or varment gun. But IT LOOKS SO EVIL, it Must be an “assault weapon”. Gimme a break.

    Just so you know Wagonwheel, you’re in good company. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and many more ALSO thought that: “Other than the military and law enforcement officials, please tell me why we allow assault rifles in the hands of anyone else?” Now I ask you, who has killed more with their weapons governments or a nut case?

    NONE of those weapons were FULLY AUTOMATIC which is THE MAIN CHARACTERISTIC OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON. The Glock and Sig Sauer were 9mm semis and the carbine a .223 semi.

    So I ask you: since there are about 300 million firearms in the U.S. how do you propose to eliminate them? House to house searches? Surround “known gun owners” homes with SWAT teams and start blasting? There is no limit to your despotism is there?

    Guys like you have created an education system which tells kids there is no right or wrong, accept everyone’s opinion because they’re all right, don’t make judgements, everybody’s entitled, put those who don’t agree in prison as Belefonte said. What the hell is the matter with you people? You radical leftists are the most dangerous creatures that ever bell-crawled across the earth.

    That kid who shot those children is an example of your 60 years of education and anti-God screeds….but now it’s a friggin’ guns fault, not yours. When you teach people they’re not responsable for themselves or their acts that’s what you get. Supprise! BTW they weren’t even his friggin’ guns. But as usual, every time there’s a shooting you leftists want to take the guns away from everyone who wasn’t involved!

    Next time there’s a car accident they should confiscate YOUR car!

  14. I suppose by now you know the truth, Mr Editor, but no retraction from you so far. I understand that you people would prefer to be in denial, as if that somehow moves you further away from this tragedy, which you are right in the middle of it, because you are Americans. Yet no response to this from the likes of Hoagie and Eric, as they prefer to talk and think about cars and good times. Speaks volumes.

    Yeah, well, at least Hoagie knows good times. Do you get any enjoyment out of life, other than pestering us here? You could use a sports car, Perry. And about a thousand bucks woryth of cocaine. and lots of booze and hookers.

    You really need to let loose, man. Let your hair down. Have some fun. You seem like such a prig at times, wanting to call the teacher on Koolo because he cxcalls you names. Enjoy life. Relax. Have a few beers. Read some PJ O’Rourke. Watch Animal House. Fuck the dog. Well, maybe not that. Fuck your wife. Then do it again. Take Viagra if you need to. It worked for Bob Dole.

  15. I do believe cars was included in this post Wagonwheel. You can join Eric and me or you can ignore us but believe it or not everything we like is not steeped in politics. And when you try to make political points out of murder, out of the tragety these poor people endured all your talk of compassion goes out the window. You’re too tightly wound!

  16. I hate to say it, but the ACLU was right on that one. They used to just lock people up for no reason at all, and good luck getting out once you were there. We don’t need any more “One flew over the cuckoo’s nest” type situations.

    I wasn’t necessarily advocating a return to such, Eric. Individual rights are just that — and if an obviously mentally deranged person has the right to refuse treatment — even if he may be a danger to himself and others — then a perfectly well-adjusted person who is perfectly law-abiding has a right to own a gun.

  17. Guys like you have created an education system which tells kids there is no right or wrong, accept everyone’s opinion because they’re all right, don’t make judgements, everybody’s entitled, put those who don’t agree in prison as Belefonte said. What the hell is the matter with you people? You radical leftists are the most dangerous creatures that ever bell-crawled across the earth.

    Indeed. People with a similar mindset to Perry’s tried to indoctrinate me with that moral relativistic crap and the self-entitled crap (exemplified by the whiners in the Occupy movement)… but I always managed to see through that nonsense and I even called out my teachers on that, too, even if it periodically got me in trouble. I’ve always stood up for my beliefs.

  18. As for Bellfonte’s comments, I’ve come to expect those kinds of things from Hollywood idiots like him who pal around with dictators like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. Bellafonte’s buddy Paul Robeson was good friends with Joseph Stalin, too.

  19. I wrote:

    I suppose by now you know the truth, Mr Editor, but no retraction from you so far. I understand that you people would prefer to be in denial, as if that somehow moves you further away from this tragedy, which you are right in the middle of it, because you are Americans. Yet no response to this from the likes of Hoagie and Eric, as they prefer to talk and think about cars and good times. Speaks volumes.

    Still not one word about the magnitude of this tragedy, or the suffering, the agony, just arguments, denials, defenses, excuses, and name-calling, as expected, frankly. And now we can add a couple of more names to the list of the hard-hearted: koolo, and W.A. Norman.

    Look at yourselves, folks, and see clearly what is there in front of your face.

    We need to figure out ways to lessen the occurrence of violence in our culture, using the horror of events like this latest one, to knock some sense into our heads, finally!

  20. Question for Hoagie:

    The weapon used in this mass murder of 20 children and 7 adults is described as a Bushmaster ACR 0.223 caliber semiautomatic rifle. ACR stands for Adaptive Combat Rifle. Call it an assault rifle or otherwise, I simply cannot understand why any American needs to have such a weapon, main reason being that it can get into the hands of deranged people and/or those with criminal intent, as has happened too many times already. What is the justification for this?

  21. Look at yourselves, folks, and see clearly what is there in front of your face.

    No, look at yourself (if you can stomach the image) and see what sort of “man” uses a tragedy like this to belittle and question others.

    You don’t want a discussion about gun control. As always, you claim you want debate/discussion, but when the inevitable occurs (people disagree with you), we’re all just “bad/evil people.”

    Shove it somewhere, creep.

  22. The weapon used in this mass murder of 20 children and 7 adults is described as a Bushmaster ACR 0.223 caliber semiautomatic rifle. ACR stands for Adaptive Combat Rifle. Call it an assault rifle or otherwise, I simply cannot understand why any American needs to have such a weapon, main reason being that it can get into the hands of deranged people and/or those with criminal intent, as has happened too many times already. What is the justification for this?

    Back to your old never-reading-what-others post tricks again, huh?

    A semi-automatic requires a separate trigger pull for each shot? How is this different from a handgun? And the “too many times already” BS was addressed here.

  23. Robert Stacy McCain (at the link) blames liberalism.

    …Before the triumphant cultural hegemony of liberalism — before we were persuaded that people with ”personality disorders” should be viewed as victims and before the ACLU decided that the rights of kooks trumped any concern about public safety — the Adam Lanzas of the world were institutionalized, generally with the assent of their own families. Mom and Dad might have been disappointed that their kid turned out to be a nutjob, the family might feel some shame over having spawned a schizo, but they recognized that the greater good of society took precedence over their personal sympathy for the hopeless loony.

    Read the article.

  24. 32 seconds left in the Cowboys/Steelers game. Steelers deserve to lose. They made two major mistakes after the 2 minute warning. Cowboys to punt, it’s going to OT.

  25. Hard-hearted my ass, Perry. I think this is a tragedy. Any sane person does. But what disgusts me are people in the media who try to exploit this for political gain: in this case, gun control.

    Maybe they want the weapon because they want to defend themselves in case they’re attacked. Of course, leftists like you think that someone defending themselves is a crime itself because of some warped sense of “compassion.” So people are supposed to just let themselves be killed by someone and not fight back? That’s just as disturbing as someone who kills innocent people.

  26. No, Perry, as Koolo says, all you do is claim you want debate, but when people disagree with you, you respond by attacking them and calling them “wingnuts” and “hard-hearted” and threaten peoples’ livelihoods.

  27. Wagonwheel asked Hoagie:

    The weapon used in this mass murder of 20 children and 7 adults is described as a Bushmaster ACR 0.223 caliber semiautomatic rifle. ACR stands for Adaptive Combat Rifle. Call it an assault rifle or otherwise, I simply cannot understand why any American needs to have such a weapon, main reason being that it can get into the hands of deranged people and/or those with criminal intent, as has happened too many times already. What is the justification for this?

    How many of our constitutional rights do you believe we need to justify? Should the Westboro Baptist “Church” have to justify their exercise of freedom of assembly and speech? After all, a lot of people are incensed about their particular speech, and many would claim that it causes real harm to the people mourning their loved ones. Should the Occupods have had to justify their exercise of freedom of assembly and speech last year? After all, they were disruptive, uncivil, smelly and costly. What about the recent union protesters in Michigan? In their exercise of freedom of assembly and speech, they physically assaulted some people.

    Should an obviously guilty criminal have to justify his right to a fair trial? So many of them we just know to be guilty, so why can’t we just lock ‘em up? If the police suspect that Mrs Wheel is running an underground meth lab in your basement, should you really have to justify not allowing the police to search your home if they don’t have a warrant?

    Our constitutional rights are our constitutional rights. You were offered several chances on the old blog to advocate amending the constitution to fit what you see as modern needs, but you were very unwilling to go in that direction; you’d rather “interpret” the clear meaning of the text of the Bill of Rights to mean something entirely different from what it actually says.

  28. Former Saturday Night Live TV star Victoria Jackson asked a question that points out how this school shooting tragedy can be used to serve an agenda.

    It sparked outrage on the left: Wasn’t the Connecticut killer just doing what Abortionists do every day?

  29. And at .223 cal. the gun in question was little more than a target gun, plinker or varment gun.

    Mary Sherlach – 56 years old
    Lauren Rousseau – 30 years old
    Rachel Davino – 29 years old
    Anne Marie Murphy – 52 years old
    Vicki Soto – 27 years old
    Dawn Hochsprung – 47 years old
    Charlotte Bacon – 6 years old
    Daniel Barden – 7 years old
    Olivia Engel – 6 years old
    Josephine Gay – 7 years old
    Dylan Hockley – 6 years old
    Madeline F. Hsu – 6 years old
    Catherine V. Hubbard – 6 years old
    Chase Kowalski – 7 years old
    James Mattioli – 6 years old
    Emilie Parker – 6 years old
    Jack Pinto – 6 years old
    Noah Pozner – 6 years old
    Caroline Previdi – 6 years old
    Jessica Rekos – 6 years old
    Avielle Richman – 6 years old
    Benjamin Wheeler – 6 years old
    Allison N Wyatt – 6 years old
    Ana Marquez-Greene – 6 years old
    Grace McDonnell – 6 years old
    Jesse Lewis – 6 years old.

    these are the people – elementary school children and the adults who died trying to save them – who Hoagie just implied were “varments”.

    And he did so because he wanted to minimise the fact that they were shot (apparently) by one gun – a semi-automatic rifle.

    It is more important to Hoagie that a rifle be defended from being seen as what it is – a tool for killing humans – than that these people live. It is more important to lie about what it did than to acknowledge their deaths.

    It is necessary to sacrifice children to defend the wingnut worship of guns.

    Hoagie is defending the sacrifice of children.

    I didn’t think my contempt for him could get any worse. I was wrong.

  30. So, Phoenician, in your view people aren’t allowed to defend themselves? You’re just another gun control supporter who thinks that because one lone psycho goes off and slaughters innocents, then we should punish everyone who has a gun by taking it away. Not surprising. That’s a common fallacy among people like you.

    I don’t know when you decided you were an expert on politics of a country you don’t even live in.

  31. It’s because of those anti-self-defense attitudes, such as those possessed by the Phoenician and Wagonwheel, that I often got in trouble in school for defending myself in fights.

  32. John Hannon at the LA Times reports an attack against school children in China, 12/14/2012.

    Man slashes 22 children near China school

    BEIJING — A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China’s worst such incident in more than a year.

    The attack was reminiscent of a spate of knife attacks on schoolchildren that took place across China in 2010. In most cases, the attackers were unemployed middle-aged men, leading to speculation that the assaults stemmed from economic and social discontent.

    Friday’s attack occurred at about 7:40 a.m. as children were arriving outside the gate of Chenpeng Village’s Wanquan Elementary School. The suspect, Min Yingjun, 36, allegedly slashed an elderly woman as well as the children. Local propaganda officials said later that Min had a psychological illness.

  33. 32 seconds left in the Cowboys/Steelers game. Steelers deserve to lose. They made two major mistakes after the 2 minute warning. Cowboys to punt, it’s going to OT.

    Well it was a great game – except the Steelers lost. And on an interception to boot. But kudos to the Cowboys. They won fair and square.

    Now, on to Obama What A maroon. Saw him do the memorial ceremony. What a phony. It was like he was reading a Hollywood script. I Don’t think he has any emotions at all. Just reads what he needs to read. A regular robot. Someone programmed this idiot and put him in the White House.

    Chris Christie as president in 2016. And Sarah Palin as Secretary of State. Enough of these idiots already. Obama and his crew couldn’t even successfully run a hot dog stand.

  34. What a lot of the people who are pro-gun control/anti-self defense do is project their own violent tendencies onto other people.

  35. Yeah, I hate the Patriots. And the 49ers, too. What a bunch of wimps. Sissy teams from sissy towns. Football should be played by tough guys from tough towns like Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, and New York.

    Saw the Raiders play the Bears one time in the Colosseum. Gang fights all over the place. More violence in the stands than on the field. Then Al Davis moved them back to Oakland where they belong. A friend calls them the Thugees. She couldn’t be more right.

    And the Vikings suck, too. What a bunch of fucking losers. Ought to just pack up and move to LA.

  36. Our resident absolutist here speaks again:

    Our constitutional rights are our constitutional rights. You were offered several chances on the old blog to advocate amending the constitution to fit what you see as modern needs, but you were very unwilling to go in that direction; you’d rather “interpret” the clear meaning of the text of the Bill of Rights to mean something entirely different from what it actually says.

    If our Constitution were that pure, Mr Editor, then we would not need the SCOTUS, or the Justice Department, or the Courts. Just apply that pure Constitution.

    Of course you don’t believe that, at least I don’t think you do, which is then an admission that some interpretation, some judgment is needed to put meaning to words in context, in current context, which is not identical to that of two centuries ago, let alone two plus millennia ago when the Bible was written.

    And still, no emotion, no grieving, no comment whatsoever about the American Tragedy repeating itself one more time. What is wrong with you people?

    Here, take ten minutes to listen to the words of a self-described libertarian republican. Perhaps this message, more than anything I could say, will bring you folks to your senses.

  37. WW wrote:

    Our resident absolutist here speaks again:

    Our constitutional rights are our constitutional rights. You were offered several chances on the old blog to advocate amending the constitution to fit what you see as modern needs, but you were very unwilling to go in that direction; you’d rather “interpret” the clear meaning of the text of the Bill of Rights to mean something entirely different from what it actually says.

    If our Constitution were that pure, Mr Editor, then we would not need the SCOTUS, or the Justice Department, or the Courts. Just apply that pure Constitution.

    Actually, the Constitution really is that “pure” (I’d suggest that “clear” would be a more accurate word) in many places, the First and Second Amendments being two of the clearest sections. The problem isn’t that the Constitution is unclear; the problem is that legislators, from both sides of the aisle, have written laws which were in clear violation of those Constitutional provisions.

    Other sections do leave room for interpretation, such as the Eighth Amendment, which leaves the definitions of “cruel and unusual” and “excessive” subjective, or the Fourth Amendment, which has the subjective terms “unreasonable searches” and “probable cause” therein.

    Of course you don’t believe that, at least I don’t think you do, which is then an admission that some interpretation, some judgment is needed to put meaning to words in context, in current context, which is not identical to that of two centuries ago, let alone two plus millennia ago when the Bible was written.

    In the examples given, “unreasonable searches” and “excessive bail” do require some interpretation or judgement, but the First and Second Amendments are not written subjectively; they are constructed in absolute terms. If you do not like those absolute terms, it is perfectly reasonable to propose changes to them, but it is wholly dishonest to say that we can interpret “Congress shall make no law” or “shall not be infringed” to mean that Congress shall make only a few laws or the rights of the people to keep and bear arms may be infringed.

  38. Robert Leider, writing in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, noted that the real problem was that people who were mentally ill had obtained firearms.

    In addition to guns, the common denominator in most of these mass shootings has been mental illness. Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech), Jared Lee Loughner (Tucson, Ariz.), James Eagen Holmes (in the Aurora, Colo. theater), and now Adam Lanza all had significant mental health problems. As the country turns its attention to overhauling its health-care delivery system, we must discuss improving access and delivery of mental health care to those who need it. As part of this conversation, we need to update federal firearm laws as they relate to persons with mental illness—laws that currently are primitive and rooted in stereotypes.

    Federal law generally prohibits the possession or acquisition of a firearm by a person “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution.” Putting aside the offensive label and legal jargon, in simple terms this means that a person is prohibited for life from possessing firearms if the person has ever been: involuntarily committed to a mental institution, or found by a court to be a danger to himself or others, found not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity or incompetent to stand trial, or unable to manage his own affairs. It does not matter whether the person currently has a mental illness.

    Federal law is both under- and over-inclusive. It is under-inclusive because plenty of people with severe mental illnesses escape the ban on possessing firearms—provided, for example, they have managed not to be formally committed to a mental institution, or found by a court to be incompetent or insane. The ban is over-inclusive because many people recover from mental illness and lead healthy and productive lives. A single involuntary commitment for a severe eating disorder at age 20 will preclude a person from possessing a hunting rifle for the rest of his life.

    There is plenty of room to compromise on this issue, and in a way that may produce meaningful results. Both sides should continue to work together to update the “National Instant Check System.” Gun dealers use this system to vet gun purchasers before transferring firearms. Unfortunately, despite a 2007 federal law that was supposed to mandate better reporting by states (passed in response to the Virginia Tech massacre), many states lag behind in reporting individuals who are barred from possessing firearms due to mental illness.

    The lack of proper reporting by Virginia led to Seung-Hui Cho’s firearm purchase, even though a judge had found Cho a danger to himself—a finding that made him ineligible to purchase firearms under federal law. Colorado’s James Eagen Holmes purchased his weapons legally because he had not been formally committed despite his mental health problems. Although the information remains preliminary, Adam Lanza’s mother may not have secured her guns from her son despite his apparent history of behavioral problems.

    The left’s response is to bar law-abiding, healthy people from owning firearms, when the problem involves the mentally ill. Mr Lanza supposedly has Asperger’s syndrome, but that was never reported, nor could it reasonably have been due to privacy rights concerns. Do you believe that certain diagnoses should be legally reportable? (Perhaps you will recall how the homosexual activists fought any suggestion that AIDS should be a reportable disease.)

  39. Mr Editor, simply said, owning of assault weapons should be banned. Moreover, loopholes which get around background checks should be closed. How many of these violent episodes must we endure before taking some fundamental actions to keep these weapons out of the hands of unstable individuals. No control system is perfect, but we must do better than this.

  40. Wagonwheel wrote:

    Mr Editor, simply said, owning of assault weapons should be banned. Moreover, loopholes which get around background checks should be closed. How many of these violent episodes must we endure before taking some fundamental actions to keep these weapons out of the hands of unstable individuals. No control system is perfect, but we must do better than this.

    What part of:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed,

    do you find so difficult to understand?

  41. Mr Editor, simply said, owning of assault weapons should be banned. Moreover, loopholes which get around background checks should be closed. How many of these violent episodes must we endure before taking some fundamental actions to keep these weapons out of the hands of unstable individuals. No control system is perfect, but we must do better than this.

    Once again, banning so-called “assault weapons” really will mean next to nothing. There’s essentially little difference between them and a modern handgun since they both require a separate pull of the trigger to shoot. So go right ahead and lobby for your ban. It’ll ultimately be useless.

    You’re more rational (a truly rare thing) with the background check issue. But only private dealers at gun shows can get around these, yet many states have already closed this loophole. I’ve no problem requiring gun show private dealers to do the required checks.

    And I see you still are blabbering about “how many more” which means you’re still (most probably purposely) ignoring this.

  42. Following up on the LA Times article quoted in my comment (of 12/16 @ 23:14) about the knife attack on school children in China, the AP is reporting from Beijing the attacker was most likely psychologically affected by doomsday predictions.

    Min Yongjun went into an elderly woman’s house Friday morning and stabbing her with a kitchen knife. Then he went to a nearby elementary school in Chenpeng village where he slashed 23 children before being overpowered by teachers and police.

    He was arrested on suspicion of jeopardizing public security.

    Police are still evaluating Min’s psychological state, but initial investigations indicate he was motivated by doomsday rumors associated with the Mayan calender and fear of an apocalypse this Friday.

  43. The left’s response is to bar law-abiding, healthy people from owning firearms, when the problem involves the mentally ill. Mr Lanza supposedly has Asperger’s syndrome, but that was never reported, nor could it reasonably have been due to privacy rights concerns. Do you believe that certain diagnoses should be legally reportable? (Perhaps you will recall how the homosexual activists fought any suggestion that AIDS should be a reportable disease.)

    Indeed. Groups like the ACLU have constantly fought for the mentally ill, informing them of their “right” to not get treatment or even be moved out of the dangerous cold if they don’t want to. OK, that’s the nature of freedom. But somehow that doesn’t apply to my right to self-defense by owning a gun.

  44. Perry, if you believe that current circumstances warrant infringing on the right to keep and bear arms, be honest enough to work for a constitutional amendment to repeal the Second. The Framers did include an amendment provision, you know.

    We can, and I’m certain would, disagree on whether repealing the Second Amendment would be wise, but working for repeal because you believe it outdated is very much an honest thing to do. I find it wholly dishonest to ignore or subvert the Constitution to achieve your goals.

  45. Recall how Obama invoked Executive Privilege so AG Eric Holder could avoid complying with a Congressional subpoena to turn over documents detailing the Administration’s role in supplying hundreds of powerful semi-automatic assault style weapons to Mexican Drug Smugglers.

    One of the Fast-n-Furious guns was used to murder Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, and another one was used to murder Homeland Security Officer Jaime Zapata. And those are only 2 of the Americans killed with Obama’s guns, hundreds, perhaps many hundreds, of Mexican citizens, some of them as young or younger than the school teachers killed in Connecticut, have been slaughtered with guns supplied to the killers by Obama’s criminal co-conspirators.

    Obama’s crocodile tears today only serve to expose his blatant hypocrisy. Moreover, he’s yet to come clean about his secret gun running operation as it relates to Benghazigate and the events leading up to the murder of a US Ambassador and 3 other Americans, even as his Secretary of State ducks Congressional testimony with the claims of ill health.

    Obama is willing to go on TV and use the tragic death of school children to cynically advance his domestic gun grabbing agenda while at the same time concealing his Administration’s gun running operations both here and abroad.

    And, in hypocritical lockstep with the Administration’s two-faced phony outrage, the leftists commenting here conveniently ignore the guns of Fast-n-Furious and the guns of Bengazhigate as they weep crocodile tears for the tragic victims of Sandy Hook Elementary School.

  46. One of the Fast-n-Furious guns was used to murder Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, and another one was used to murder Homeland Security Officer Jaime Zapata. And those are only 2 of the Americans killed with Obama’s guns, hundreds, perhaps many hundreds, of Mexican citizens, some of them as young or younger than the school teachers killed in Connecticut, have been slaughtered with guns supplied to the killers by Obama’s criminal co-conspirators.

    This really ought to be looked into. There’s something screwy about Holder, tho even he isn’t as bad as Janet Reno was. Too much cronyism. He and Obama are big pals, so one hand washes the other.

    And look at the skanks in the Obama Admin. These broads couldn’t get laid if they were first on the dock when the USS Nimitz comes into town. Sebilius, Napolitano, these old bags couldn’t look any worse if they tried. Sebilius in particular looks like a dried up old witch. To quote Tony Montana from Scarface – You got a look like you haven’t been fucked in a month!

  47. And still, no emotion, no grieving, no comment whatsoever about the American Tragedy repeating itself one more time. What is wrong with you people?

    Uh, Perry, YOU’RE the one trying to manipulate this shooting in order to score political points, like banning guns. Sorta like your pal Krugman did after the Tucson shooting.

  48. Here, take ten minutes to listen to the words of a self-described libertarian republican. Perhaps this message, more than anything I could say, will bring you folks to your senses.

    Perry, who the hell has ten minutes to listen to some stupid video? You’re starting to sound like Blu with all her Twoofer nonsense. Grow up.

  49. “Indeed. Groups like the ACLU have constantly fought for the mentally ill, informing them of their “right” to not get treatment or even be moved out of the dangerous cold if they don’t want to. OK, that’s the nature of freedom. But somehow that doesn’t apply to my right to self-defense by owning a gun.”

    That’s right. The entire living-world is to be transformed into a rubber walled room; supervised by the masters of the therapeutic state. That way, the mentally ill don’t have to be marginalized, or singled out, or anything else. They can live among us and we can adapt to their needs, because … well just because.

    After all, they are desperate for and in need of attention … as Phoenician’s years-long obsession with Dana’s blogs perfectly demonstrates.

    See, all they need in order not to destroy themselves or someone else, is a government provided make-work job and everyone else to pretend an interest in their twisted lives.

    This needy moral garbage, these existence despising nihilists, willing to kill in order to get your attention just once before they happily trundle off into nothingness once and for all, are in fact paradigmatic of the liberal breed’s core mentality.

    They don’t really want to be alive.

    It’s like trying to embrace entropy.

    Well, in fact it is not like trying to embrace entropy.

    Accommodating the liberal is literally embracing it.

    And just as ultimately pointless as they claim life itself to be.

  50. I’ve said before that if our friends on the left are just so opposed to the right to keep and bear arms, they should do something really radical like propose a Constitutional amendment to repeal the Second Amendment. I even went so far as to write it for them:

    Amendment XXIX

    • Section 1: The Second Amendment to this Constitution is hereby repealed.
    • Section 2: (a) Private ownership of operable firearms is hereby prohibited. The Congress may allow individual, registered collectors to own and possess registered antique firearms, if they are in a permanently disabled condition.
    • (b): Neither the government of the United States nor any of the governing subdivisions therein are required to pay compensation for firearms confiscated and destroyed under the provisions of Section 2 (a).
    • Section 3: The manufacture, possession, purchase or sale of operable firearms of any type is prohibited within the United States, save for those registered companies manufacturing firearms for the Armed Forces of the United States, or authorized federal, state and local law enforcement agencies certified by the Department of Justice.
    • Section 4: The Congress shall have the power to enforce this amendment through the passage of appropriate legislation.

    That, at least, would be the honest way to do it.

  51. “these are the people – elementary school children and the adults who died trying to save them – who Hoagie just implied were “varments”.”

    Did I imply they are “varments”? Or did I identify the weapon? You twist words, you lie!

    “And he did so because he wanted to minimise the fact that they were shot (apparently) by one gun – a semi-automatic rifle.”

    I does not matter by which gun they were killed. Unless you are using murder to make a political point. Which you are. You are a ruthless liar.

    “It is more important to Hoagie that a rifle be defended from being seen as what it is – a tool for killing humans – than that these people live. It is more important to lie about what it did than to acknowledge their deaths”

    I was not “defending” a rifle ( Again you moron, it’s a carbine. ). And just so you know ALL weapons are for killing people. It is more important for you to lie about what a gun, or any weapon is than acknoweledge people need them to defend against people like you, despots, who use any tragedy to their own purpose and exploit any event to eliminate human freedom.

    “It is necessary to sacrifice children to defend the wingnut worship of guns.”

    Really? Even you can’t be that stupid. You worship big government, hate God and claim I worship guns? I worship God, not guns. You’re a hate monger, a dweebe, a nut job. You and your ilk sacrifice millions of children a year on your evil alter of abortion. Tyrant, murderer, liar!

    “Hoagie is defending the sacrifice of children.”

    I’m defending my human rights. You are the one who defends the murder of children with your abortion stance. Murderer. Dog.

    “I didn’t think my contempt for him could get any worse. I was wrong.”

    Contempt? Eat me you commie nut. I love contempt from people like you. It means you know you’re wrong and folks like me point it out. Common baby, contempt me more.

  52. Liberal logic: a few people use firearms to kill other people, and therefore, all firearms should be prohibited.

    Well, in 2009, there were 10,800,000 reported automobile accidents in the United States, in which 35,900 people were killed. This is far, far more people than are killed by firearms; in the same year, 11,493 people were murdered using firearms. Using liberal logic, it would be thrice as urgent to ban automobiles in the United States.

    In 2009, 24,518 people died from alcohol-induced causes, excluding homicides and accidents. 15,183 of these deaths were due to alcohol-caused liver disease. Using liberal logic, it should be twice as urgent to ban alcohol in the United States.

    In 2000, there were approximately 88,000 substantiated or indicated cases of child sexual abuse. We don’t know how many child sexual abusers were using the internet to find child pornography, but it was obviously a substantial number, and is probably greater today than in 2000. Using liberal logic, it should be eight times as urgent that we should prohibit private individuals from using the internet, where they might be searching for child pornography or trying to set up meetings to sexual abuse minors.

    Yet, for some odd reason, we don’t ever, ever! see any calls for any of that. One wonders why.

  53. Editor says:
    December 17, 2012 at 13:07

    I’ve said before that if our friends on the left are just so opposed to the right to keep and bear arms, they should do something really radical like propose a Constitutional amendment to repeal the Second Amendment. I even went so far as to write it for them:

    Amendment XXIX

    ◦Section 1: The Second Amendment to this Constitution is hereby repealed.
    ◦Section 2: (a) Private ownership of operable firearms is hereby prohibited. The Congress may allow individual, registered collectors to own and possess registered antique firearms, if they are in a permanently disabled condition.
    ◦(b): Neither the government of the United States nor any of the governing subdivisions therein are required to pay compensation for firearms confiscated and destroyed under the provisions of Section 2 (a).
    ◦Section 3: The manufacture, possession, purchase or sale of operable firearms of any type is prohibited within the United States, save for those registered companies manufacturing firearms for the Armed Forces of the United States, or authorized federal, state and local law enforcement agencies certified by the Department of Justice.
    ◦Section 4: The Congress shall have the power to enforce this amendment through the passage of appropriate legislation.

    Welcome to slavery, communism and servitude. Welcome to Germany of the 1930′s with the Socialist BO at the head of it.

  54. Armed, Off-Duty Cop Prevents Mass Shooting In San Antonio

    WOAI: SAN ANTONIO – Gunfire erupted at the Mayan Palace Theatre on Southwest Military Sunday night just before 9:30 pm. This shooting comes just days after a deadly rampage at a school in Connecticut and sparks memories of the the mass slaying at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo.

    An armed off-duty deputy working security was able to take down the shooter before he could kill anyone.

    Investigators tell News 4 WOAI the gunman is 19-year-old Jesus Manuel Garcia. They say he worked at the China Garden restaurant right next to the Mayan Palace Theater. Police say Garcia opened fire at China Garden because of relationship problems with his girlfriend who also worked at the restaurant, although she was not present at the time. Officers explain that Garcia then continued to fire his weapon across the parking lot and into the theater. Garcia even opened fire on a San Antonio Police Department patrol car explained Detective Lou Antu, spokesman for the Bexar County Sherriff’s Office.

    “Everybody was just coming out of the side of the theater, running out the emergency exits. And everyone was screaming and running,” explained a moviegoer named Megan.

    Garcia was finally stopped by a deputy who was working an off-duty job at the theater. The deputy shot Garcia four times. “The officer involved, she took the appropriate action to try to keep everyone safe in the movie theater,” Antu said. Antu says the gunman never made it into the theater itself, thanks largely to the heroic work of the off duty deputy. “She did what she felt she had to do,” Antu said. “I feel that she saved a lot of lives by taking the action she had to take.” Garcia has since undergone surgery and is in stable condition at San Antonio Military Medical Center (SAMMC). He’s being charged with aggravated assault for shooting at an officer and shooting a bystander. That bystander is listed in stable condition. 17 Dec 2012, 8:55 AM PDT

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/12/17/Armed-Off-duty-cop-prevents-mass-shooting-in-San-Antonio

  55. I worship God, not guns.

    Matthew 7:15-20.

    You and yours worship guns. You worship them as symbols of Freedom and Liberty and America – but, of course, you really worship them as a means to hide from your own powerlessness and fear.

    And the fruit of your actions is the sacrifice of children.

    You’re following Moloch, Hoagie.

  56. .223 is a varmint round, although it works good enough on people the military uses it even though it lacks the stopping power of a traditional .30+ Cal round or the NATO round, the .223s relative light weight allows each soldier to hump more ammo.

    But it’s only 3 one-thousands larger in diameter than a .22, and that’s still only very slightly more than 3/16th of an inch (.24 caliber is 6mm and smaller than 1/4 inch).

    In fact .223 is so small it’s not allowed for big game in Washington.

    •Big game, except cougar, must be hunted with a minimum of .24 caliber (6mm) centerfire rifle. (Cougar may be hunted with a .22 caliber centerfire rifle, but not with .22 rimfire.)

  57. Denver’s local CBS affiliate reoprted a massive increase in requests for background checks the day after the Connecticut school tragedy 12/17/2012.


    CBI Deals With Massive Influx Of Potential Gun Buyers

    (CBI = Colorado Bureau of Investigation)

    DENVER (CBS4) – The day after the shooting in Connecticut a lot of people in Colorado tried to buy a gun.

    The Colorado Bureau of Investigation says it received 4,154 requests for background checks from potential buyers on Saturday. That was so many the CBI couldn’t process them all and the backlog grew to nearly 18 hours. The Unit could only process 3,001 checks on Saturday.

    Extra staff was brought in over the weekend and workers are still trying to clear the backlog…

  58. ropelight says:
    December 17, 2012 at 21:07

    .223 is a varmint round, although it works good enough on people the military uses it even though it lacks the stopping power of a traditional .30+ Cal round or the NATO round, the .223s relative light weight allows each soldier to hump more ammo.

    But it’s only 3 one-thousands larger in diameter than a .22, and that’s still only very slightly more than 3/16th of an inch (.24 caliber is 6mm and smaller than 1/4 inch).

    In fact .223 is so small it’s not allowed for big game in Washington.

    •Big game, except cougar, must be hunted with a minimum of .24 caliber (6mm) centerfire rifle. (Cougar may be hunted with a .22 caliber centerfire rifle, but not with .22 rimfire.)

    From what I heard in Basic Training is the .223 or 5.54 mm NATO round was it wounded more than it killed. One thought was to overwhelm the enemy with wounded, than dead. That way, the other side was bogged down with wounded. Might be true or not, but it makes sense.

  59. .223 is a varmint round,

    Which just murdered 20 children and 6 adults.

    Let’s see – if it’s used by the military, and it murders people, what does that say about wingnuts who want to minimise it and play down their devotion to guns by repeatedly claiming “it’s a varmint round”?

  60. York, the .223 and the 5.54mm rounds are quite similar in appearance but are actually different and should not be used interchangeably. Here’s an excerpt from Human Events of 2/15/2011

    .223 Remington vs. 5.56 NATO: What You Don’t Know Could Hurt You

    Is firing a 5.56 NATO cartridge in your .223 Remington chambered AR15 dangerous? Or do Internet forum-ninjas and ammunition companies selling you commercial ammo instead of surplus overstate the dangers? Believe it or not, a real danger exists, and some gun owners who think they are doing the right thing may not be safe.

    The Cartridges

    The .223 Remington and 5.56×45 NATO cartridges are very similar, and externally appear the same. But there are some differences that lie beneath the surface.

    The 5.56 case has thicker walls to handle higher pressures, meaning the interior volume of the case is smaller than that of a .223. This will alter the loading data used when reloading 5.56 brass to .223 specs.

    Some 5.56 loads have a slightly longer overall length than commercial .223 loads.

    The Chambers

    The significant difference between the .223 Rem and 5.56 NATO lies in the rifles, rather than the cartridges themselves. Both the .223 and 5.56 rounds will chamber in rifles designed for either cartridge, but the critical component, leade, will be different in each rifle…

    Leade is the space between a chambered round and the point at which the rifling begins, and one rifle has about twice as much leade as the other one which can lead to dangerous over-pressures with the wrong ammo.

    PS: When I mentioned the NATO round in my previous comment I should have stipulated the 7.62 X 51 mm (similar to the .308)

  61. Let us examine the behavior of the wingnuts on this blog regarding the tragedy in Newtown, CT.

    So we have Hoagie, who would much rather argue about the definition of an assault weapon, and worship God not guns, rather than grieve for those first graders and women who became the victims of a maniac who used one.

    Then we have our Editor, who would rather insist on his absolutist interpretation of the Second Amendment, rather than even mention the American Tragedy which happened right in front of our faces, though to his credit he wrote a new Amendment to exchange for the very old Second. But note, he did not propose the adaption of said new Amendment. And btw, Mr Editor, who is calling for the prohibition of all firearms? You made that up, didn’t you.

    And we have Eric, who is amused by Hoagie’s extremism, flittering around here about boxing and the NFL and other amusements, saying absolutely nothing on behalf of the victims of this tragedy. He could care less about Newtown, apparently.

    We have Yorkshire who equates changing the Second Amendment to permitting the behavior in America of the most heinous criminal dictators of the 20th Century, including Socialist BO. Turn Rush off, will you Yorkshire?

    Then there is ropelight, who cares more about the minute differences between various rifles and ammunition, than about those who are suffering mightily in Newtown, CT.

    DNW, with his omnipotent elitist airs, prefers to mock those who attempt to address the root causes of this tragedy and others like it, as he favors increasing entropy faster.

    And let us not forget koolo, who prefers the personal attack instead of reacting to the tragedy confronting this nation, as one would expect, especially from one who calls himself/herself a school teacher.

    And finally, copycat W. A. Norman, who comes on here joining the wingnut chorus, completely oblivious to the tragedy which has befallen our nation.

    Is it not time for you folks to reexamine your fundamentals, to be more in line with the attitude of Him whom you believe to be the Son of God, the Prince of Peace, the Protector of Children? Where is your faith when you really need to rely on it to propel you toward “right motives [which] give pinions to thought, and strength and freedom to speech and freedom”?

    PiatoR said it well:

    Matthew 7:15-20.

    You and yours worship guns. You worship them as symbols of Freedom and Liberty and America – but, of course, you really worship them as a means to hide from your own powerlessness and fear.

    And the fruit of your actions is the sacrifice of children.

    You’re following Moloch, Hoagie.

    True and False Prophets

    15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    Are you folks bearing “good fruit”?

  62. Noah Posner, Newtown, CT, laid to rest yesterday:

    From mother, Veronique Pozner:

    The sky is crying, and the flags are at half-mast. It is a sad, sad day. But it is also your day, Noah, my little man. I will miss your forceful and purposeful little steps stomping through our house. I will miss your perpetual smile, the twinkle in your dark blue eyes, framed by eyelashes that would be the envy of any lady in this room.

    Most of all, I will miss your visions of your future. You wanted to be a doctor, a soldier, a taco factory manager. It was your favorite food, and no doubt you wanted to ensure that the world kept producing tacos.

    You were a little boy whose life force had all the gravitational pull of a celestial body. You were light and love, mischief and pranks. You adored your family with every fiber of your 6-year-old being. We are all of us elevated in our humanity by having known you. A little maverick, who didn’t always want to do his schoolwork or clean up his toys, when practicing his ninja moves or Super Mario on the Wii seemed far more important.

    Noah, you will not pass through this way again. I can only believe that you were planted on Earth to bloom in heaven. Take flight, my boy. Soar. You now have the wings you always wanted. Go to that peaceful valley that we will all one day come to know. I will join you someday. Not today. I still have lots of mommy love to give to Danielle, Michael, Sophia and Arielle.

    Until then, your melody will linger in our hearts forever. Momma loves you, little man.

  63. Perry: Go away. You’re boring already. Instead of discussion (which you claim you want) we get moonbat platitudes copied and pasted. You don’t address any points anyone’s offered. All you do is pretend you’re “better” than us. (And you still can’t lay off the profession mention, eh? Looks like yet another banning is coming …)

    At least you make us laugh. I’ll give you that.

  64. I’m not laughing Koolo. I was not aware we had to seek out the Wagonwheel seal of aproved grieving and emotional outpouring. Seems if we are not stricken paralized with grief, gnashing of teeth, wringing of hands and tears streaming down our cheecks we are uncaring of “the tragedy befalling our nation”. So it falls to Wagonwheel to not only condem us but to parrot the childish gibberish if his mentor from down under. I and mine worship guns not God because Pho says so! Dosen’t matter what or whom I say I worship, Pho knows!

    Other than feeling deeply sad by this horrible event, sympathizing with it’s victims and praying for the dead and their survivors, I don’t know what else a person can do. You, me, Wagonwheel, all of us can do no more. But understanding that there is no understanding this sort of thing is not enough. So WW goes on to quote Pho further: “And the fruit of your actions is the sacrifice of children.” Really? my actions sacrifice children? It couldn’t be those of Lanza, it must me mine.

    What do you do with cold, calculating people like these who take the murder of 26 people and use it to make political points? The gun did not murder these people, Lanza did and therein lies the problem. Leftists, unable to ever blame anyone for anything, have to find a scape goat. Bushmaster is the scapegoat. Well, Bushmaster and now me.

  65. Once again koolo assigns himself to speak for the rest.

    The truth is what it is, koolo, that you folks would rather be politically correct rather than expressing the sad gravity of the Newtown tragedy, and offer what steps we need to take, as a nation, to address our violent culture. There’s been no expression of sympathy from any of you for those parents and relatives who are suffering from their losses, nor any solutions offered to address the root causes of these tragic events. How can you, a school teacher, stand idly by, devoid of human emotion, koolo? Instead, we see quibbling and personal attacks, as usual, with no change from that behavior. What else is there to conclude about you alleged people? Have your politics diverted you from being capable of expressing human kindnesses? You people are emotionally dead! Of course you, a teacher no less, should be called out about it. You would prefer to ban people from speaking up, rather than to step up yourself, calling for the protection of our children, and of our fellow citizens. You, a teacher, a paragon in our society, typically admired by most people, are failing in your duty to speak out on behalf of the safety of our children. There is absolutely no excuse for your silence on this matter, koolo, none! You should have been the first to speak out, but it is never too late.

  66. There is absolutely no excuse for your silence on this matter, koolo, none! You should have been the first to speak out, but it is never too late.

    As I said, you do not read what others post — you simply blabber nonsense. I said up above:

    You’re more rational (a truly rare thing) with the background check issue. But only private dealers at gun shows can get around these, yet many states have already closed this loophole. I’ve no problem requiring gun show private dealers to do the required checks.

    Where have I personally “attacked” you in this thread? Who has prevented you from speaking up? Once again we’re “treated” to absolute nonsense from Perry instead of what he always claims he wants — debate/dialogue. Oh, and you have an entire blog of your own to express your thoughts, given to you my our own Editor. Why has it been idle for months now?

  67. “The truth is what it is, koolo, that you folks would rather be politically correct rather than expressing the sad gravity of the Newtown tragedy,”

    I really don’t know what you expect from us Wagonwheel. How many times must one think or say “sad gravity”, victim or tragedy before you understand that there is no more that can be said?

    “…and offer what steps we need to take, as a nation, to address our violent culture.”

    I’ll offer some steps. How about the violence depicted in movies and on TV? How about violent video games? Don’t you think these have some effect on young minds? Why are school zones “gun free zones”? It really boils down to them being “killing zones”. If everyone is unarmed but the bad guys then the bad guys win every time. What can we do about people with these type of mental problems? Are we doing enough?

    “There’s been no expression of sympathy from any of you for those parents and relatives who are suffering from their losses, nor any solutions offered to address the root causes of these tragic events.”

    The root causes? A guy goes bonkers, steals some firearms and goes on a shooting spree. You tell me the root causes. Cause all I have are questions but no answers.

    I do know that telling everyone here who is not of your political persuasion they don’t care or don’t sympathise is foolish and childish. We all don’t react the same way Wagonwheel whether or not you approve.

  68. Wagonwheel wrote:

    Then we have our Editor, who would rather insist on his absolutist interpretation of the Second Amendment, rather than even mention the American Tragedy which happened right in front of our faces, though to his credit he wrote a new Amendment to exchange for the very old Second. But note, he did not propose the adaption of said new Amendment. And btw, Mr Editor, who is calling for the prohibition of all firearms? You made that up, didn’t you.

    What I insist upon is honesty; it is honest to recognize what the clear words of the Second Amendment mean, and, if one thinks that the Second is outmoded, propose constitutional revision. It is dishonest to try to interpret the clear words of the Constitution into meaning something that they do not.

    As for whether I would support such a change in the Second Amendment, I absolutely would not. I believe that it is the natural right of a free people to keep and bear arms.

    As noted above, automobiles lead to thrice as many deaths as do firearms, yet none of our friends on the left would call for banning automobiles (though some would want to force us all into toy cars). Alcohol leads to twice as many deaths than firearms, even excluding accidents and homicides fueled by alcohol, yet our friends on the left are not calling for the banning of alcohol. Eight times as many children are sexually molested as we have people killed by firearms, and many of those sexual predators get some kicks or inspiration or arrange to find victims using their computers, but no one is proposing restricting the internet.

    The difference? Our friends on the left use automobiles, our friends on the left use alcohol, and our friends on the left use the internet. They don’t think that “their people” use firearms, but we know that’s not true; remember how anti-gun Washington Post columnist Carl Rowan happened to have his own handgun, for personal protection, and shot a teenager in 1988?

    Rowen was charged for firing a gun that he did not legally own. Rowan was arrested and tried. During the trial, he argued that he had the right to use whatever means necessary to protect himself and his family. He also said the pistol he used was exempt from the District’s handgun prohibition law because it belonged to his older son, a former FBI agent. Critics charged hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate. In a 1981 column, he advocated “a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period.” In 1985, he called for “A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns (except for authorized police and military personnel). Private gun ownership had been illegal in the District of Columbia since 1976 and the facts of the case were the talk of the town for many days.

    Rowan was tried but the jury was deadlocked; the judge declared a mistrial and he was never retried. In his autobiography, Rowan said he still favors gun control, but admits being vulnerable to a charge of hypocrisy.

    In the movie 1776, John Callum, playing the role of South Carolina’s delegate to the Continental Congress, Edward Rutledge, accused what he called “our northern friends of “hy-poc-cracy,” in a long, drawn out pronunciation, and I wish that I could replicate it here, because hypocracy is exactly what I see from the advocates of gun control. They want to attack the rights of law-abiding Americans because they don’t want to deal with the real problem, the problem of rampant crime, because to deal with that, honestly, is to admit the culpability of liberal social policies of the trashing of marriage, the removal of responsibility for sex, rampant illegitimacy and single parenthood, a welfare system which allows generational dependence, ignoring drug use, an entitlement culture, and the complete abdication of anything referring to personal responsibility.

    Instead, they have to blame the guns . . . because, in our no-fault society, they are unwilling to do anything really radical like blame rotten parents for having rotten children. Instead, they have to blame an inanimate object, because they are unwilling as to do something as impolitic as telling the truth about the effects of their social policies.

  69. Finally, something is said by Hoagie:

    Other than feeling deeply sad by this horrible event, sympathizing with it’s victims and praying for the dead and their survivors, I don’t know what else a person can do. You, me, Wagonwheel, all of us can do no more. But understanding that there is no understanding this sort of thing is not enough. So WW goes on to quote Pho further: “And the fruit of your actions is the sacrifice of children.” Really? my actions sacrifice children? It couldn’t be those of Lanza, it must me mine.

    But we can do more, Hoagie, though expressions of sorrow and sympathy serve an important purpose. Up until now, there has been none of this from righties on here, who instead are putting the politics of the Second Amendment front and center. In addition to this being an emotional and spiritual issue, it is indeed a political issue. Why do you suppose that the NRA is lying silently in a ditch right now, as well as the 31 Senators who support the gun lobby? For them right now it would be politically incorrect to speak out in favor of the Second Amendment, as usual, in order to continue their lobbing for their supporters, the gun manufacturing and sales industry.

    The statistics are that 40% of the guns which change hands in this country do so without background checks. That must be fixed.

    But worse, why do we have weapons like this Bushmaster Combat Assault Rifle available to the public? They should be banned. If banned, then Lanza’s mom would not have owned one, and perhaps there would have been fewer fatalities.

    Fortunately, some are changing their minds, like former Rep (R-FL) Joe Scarborough, thinking about his own children, and Senator Joe Manchin (R-WV), both of whom have made statements about how this event has changed their thinking.

    I am hopeful that this time we have reached a tipping point on this issue.

  70. “What else is there to conclude about you alleged people? Have your politics diverted you from being capable of expressing human kindnesses? You people are emotionally dead!”

    First off we’re not “alleged people”, you’ve met some of us so you should know we are real people. Secondly, why do you find it necessary to dehumanize us by saying we can’t express human kindness and are emotionally dead? Do you really believe you’re the only one who feels anything? That’s the problem we have with you leftists. On any topic at any time we are less human than you are. Like we’re a pack of rabid animals that need to be put down. The only difference between you and us Wagonwheeel, is our politics. We’re all humans and all have emotions. You are not special.

  71. “…who instead are putting the politics of the Second Amendment front and center.”

    Wagonwheel, I don’t believe it was “us righties” who started talking gun control before the bodies cooled. So no, it was not we who politicized anything. And until you understand the difference between an automatic assault rifle and a civilian model which looks the same but does not operate the same we will never trust you to decide our RTKABA. And until you realize that had the Bushmaster not been used Lanza would surely have used the 9mm’s and they are more powerful. It was not the type of weapon, it was the nut case squeezing the trigger.

    “If banned, then Lanza’s mom would not have owned one, and perhaps there would have been fewer fatalities.”

    First off “if banned” perhaps she would have had something far more devistating, like a pump action shot gun. We have no way of knowing, now do we? Secondly, “if banned” like heroine is banned or crack I doubt it would have much effect. Lots of things are banned but they’re still here. You seem fixated on the tool used rather than the real tool behind the trigger. He’s the problem.

  72. I said nothing about my being special, Hoagie. However, it becomes pretty obvious, when in the midst of a national trauma, not one of you expresses any emotion about the event, except to carry on as if nothing has occurred, quibble about the correct nomenclature for a Bushmaster, argue about the Second Amendment, and carry out your usual attacks on people, just like a “pack of rabid animals”. If you are “human and have emotions”, where are they I ask, when the rest of us are focused on what has just happened, feeling great sympathy for the victims and their families, and trying to figure out steps which can be taken to minimize the possibility of this reoccurring?

    Where have you righties been while all this has been going on, Hoagie? AWOL, that’s where!

  73. So what’s the virtue of emotionalism in this matter?

    Wherein lies the rational basis for the left’s demand for synchronized and theatrical expressions of mourning and unconditional solidarity?

    Oh by the way, this site still loads up like it’s dying from a thousand different viruses, and the cursor function only works intermittently … performing as if it’s magnetized or something.

    I don’t know what the problem is, but no other site seems to present anything like these difficulties.

  74. “If you are “human and have emotions”, where are they I ask, when the rest of us are focused on what has just happened, feeling great sympathy for the victims and their families,”

    You’re getting worse and worse. Exactly what must we do to show you “great sympathy”? What do you want from us Wagonwheel? Everyone here has been focused since last Friday on what happened, and we have great sympathy for the dead and their survivors. Yet you continue to regard us as uncaring dolts.

    “…and carry out your usual attacks on people, just like a “pack of rabid animals”. ”

    So then you do consider us such. I’m not trying to attack anyone but I resent your suggestion that I don’t care, am unsympathetic and have no sense of compassion because I react differently than you do. And I did not say you said you were special. The inferrence was that you act like you’re special and only you feel compassion. This is not the first time you’ve acted like that either.

  75. I’m trying out a different browser here (Firefox) and there seems to be a marginal improvement. Slow to moderate but not intolerable loading; better message window performance from the keyboard, and best of all nothing like the frustration and time-wasting experienced with Explorer 9.

    Why there were no problems with the other sites, I cannot with any certainty say.

  76. I’m having a similar problem today DNW. It happens with TFSJ once in a while with me. And as you stated, I have no problem on other sites.

  77. Ok. Having just sent a message and watched it stall, maybe I overstated the improvement slightly.

    Nonetheless and back to the topic: What’s consistently noticeable with these events is the left very distinct emotionalism and heresy hunting which has come to characterize them.

    They are of course “

  78. Of course, not all of our friends on the left have quite the same hypocricy as did gun control advocate Carl Rowan. No, indeed they don’t. Instead some of our wealthier liberal friends don’t own firearms at all, but instead live in gated communities or secured high-rises, hiring working-class people like George Zimmerman to keep out riff-raff like Trayvon Martin, and then becoming just aghast when he does his job, but it doesn’t all go neatly.

    When someone like Rachel Maddow goes off on a wild tirade against the right to keep and bear arms, my question is: where does she live? Does she live in Harlem, or maybe some of the not-so-nice sections of the Bronx or Brooklyn, or is she safely ensconced in a Manhattan high-rise, with an armed guard to keep her safe?

  79. WW wrote:

    If banned, then Lanza’s mom would not have owned one, and perhaps there would have been fewer fatalities.

    And if we had a society in which men with children weren’t able to leave their wives for other women without bearing significant societal approbation and debilitating career damage, perhaps he’d have been at home with Mrs Lanza and his mentally ill son all along, and more could have been done to keep the younger Mr Lanza from going off the deep end in the first place.

  80. The statistics are that 40% of the guns which change hands in this country do so without background checks. That must be fixed.

    Cite for that, please.

    Instead, we see quibbling and personal attacks, as usual, with no change from that behavior.

    You mean like this from yourself?

    just like a “pack of rabid animals”

    not one of you expresses any emotion about the event

    Have your politics diverted you from being capable of expressing human kindnesses?

    You people are emotionally dead!

    He could care less about Newtown, apparently.

    You’re boring already, Perry. Nothing you say has any relevance anymore (not that it ever did) because you’re a living contradiction.

  81. Guns and Murder:

    The following is taken from Thomas Sowell’s 12/18/2012 article The Gun Control Fallacy. The first two paragraphs are paraphrased and the last two are direct quotes.

    Russia, Brazil, and Mexico all have much more strict gun control regulations than then US and they all have higher murder rates.

    Gun ownership in Switzerland is three times that of Germany, but the Swiss have lower murder rates. There are many other countries with high gun ownership and low murder rates incuding Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.

    Guns are not the problem. People are the problem – including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts.

    There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun control advocates.

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