Where Is The OUTRAGE

Now if Romney/Ryan had said they would ‘put y’all back in chains’ the OUTRAGE would last for months. But since a Dim Dem (Bite Me) said it, not a problem. Apparently he knows when to wink and knows the secret handshake.

Biden to Southern audience: Romney financial plan would ‘put y’all back in chains’
by Wes Barrett | August 14, 2012

Vice President Biden drew a tough retort from Mitt Romney’s campaign Tuesday after telling a Virginia audience that the Republican presidential candidate’s plan to lift financial regulation would “put y’all back in chains.”

Romney’s campaign responded by claiming the rhetoric marked a “new low” in the 2012 race.

Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/08/14/biden-southern-audience-romney-financial-plan-would-put-y-all-back-chains#ixzz23ZgP2YF6

85 Comments

  1. Of course, adding $5.2 trillion in new debt — at more than twice the rate Barack Obama said added debt was “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic” — doesn’t put all of us in chains, right?

    IOKIYAD

  2. It’s impolitic to tell the truth, I suppose, but if creating a welfare system which permits and even encourages a lifetime of dependency, that never put the Vice President’s audience back in chains, did it?

  3. “Of course, adding $5.2 trillion in new debt — at more than twice the rate Barack Obama said added debt was “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic” — doesn’t put all of us in chains, right?

    IOKIYAD”

    Right, and adding $4.7 trillion in tax cuts favoring the wealthy is something we should all cheer, especially since supply side economics has never been shown to be effective even though the Repubs have tried it twice and failed! You people never learn!!

    Moreover, that welfare encourages a lifetime of dependency, please, let us deal with the truth. Who in their right minds would ever choose to live a lifetime on welfare, unless there is no other choice. When jobs are not available, there is no other choice. Education is the solution, as Bill Clinton’s policies proved, yet Romney/Ryan wish to cut funding for education, Pell Grants as well.

    There is no doubt that we have a serious deficit/debt problem, but more unpaid tax cuts favoring the wealthy, and supply side economics, and Ryan-type austerity now, will make matters worse, like the UK.

    Nevertheless, the wingers are sticking to their guns, literally, to the demise of our country, but they don’t care, because their policies are geared only toward enhancing the 1%, at the expense of the rest of us. This is failed policy for middle and poor Americans.

    Not only don’t they care, but there are middle Americans who support the Romney/Ryan approach, as on this very blog, even against their own self interests. There is a word for this: suicidal. Go figure!!!

  4. WW:
    Right, and adding $4.7 trillion in tax cuts favoring the wealthy is something we should all cheer, especially since supply side economics has never been shown to be effective even though the Repubs have tried it twice and failed! You people never learn!!

    Citation and an explanation on what taxes are cut, by how much, and for who, or it is just a baseless DNC talking point.

  5. WW:
    Not only don’t they care, but there are middle Americans who support the Romney/Ryan approach, as on this very blog, even against their own self interests. There is a word for this: suicidal. Go figure!!!

    You mean in how well these last four years have worked so well in adding $5T to the debt and unemployment of 8%+ for the last 42 months.

  6. Here is the real outrage of Romney/Ryan, with a focus on Ryan, expressed by a woman:

    “As a member of the House Budget Committee, I’ve seen firsthand just how extreme Paul Ryan is, so I’m not going to mince words: Paul Ryan in the White House would be a nightmare.

    Over the last two years, we’ve seen an unprecedented number of attacks on a woman’s right to make her own health care decisions — and Congressman Ryan has been at the forefront of all of them.

    He wants to end Medicare as we know it. He co-sponsored a radical “personhood” bill that could have banned the birth control pill, in vitro fertilization, and all abortions — even in cases of rape or incest. What’s more? He wants to allow states to criminally prosecute women who choose to have abortions and the doctors who perform them.

    We cannot afford to let this man be a heartbeat away from the presidency.”

    It is very unlikely that the Romney/Ryan ticket will get much support from women, not to mention the down-ballot impact on Republicans. Add to that middle and poor Americans who will be impacted negatively by the Romney/Ryan supply side economy, the tax cuts once more favoring the rich, and the anti-women policies, I honestly cannot see how Republicans will prevail in this upcoming general election. The choice of Ryan sealed the deal for Dem victories from top to bottom, in my view.

  7. “You mean in how well these last four years have worked so well in adding $5T to the debt and unemployment of 8%+ for the last 42 months.”

    Exactly, but let me finish your thought: $5T in debt caused mostly by the Republican Great Recession, followed by Republican Congressional dysfunction and obfuscation, as your prime goal stated at the beginning of the Obama term was to prevent a second term for President Obama.

    The approval rating for this Congress has sunk to the lowest point since Gallop polling began, 10% approval. Americans know well the dysfunctionality of Congress, and they do not like it!

    I feel certain that the American people understand Republican dysfunction and favoring the 1% over the rest of us, which is why the election will turn out with an Obama win, and why the down-ballot will see a definite trend back toward the Dems.

  8. I feel certain that the American people understand Republican dysfunction and favoring the 1% over the rest of us, which is why the election will turn out with an Obama win, and why the down-ballot will see a definite trend back toward the Dems.

    You also “feel certain” that Voter ID measures are “voter suppression.” And you’re in the distinct minority on that one.

    Oh, wanna lecture us on how being in the minority doesn’t necessarily make one wrong again, hmm?

  9. “Citation and an explanation on what taxes are cut, by how much, and for who, or it is just a baseless DNC talking point.”

    Well Yorkshire you will not learn about this listening to Rush Limbaugh and FoxNews, so you need to broaden your information sources.

    Here are some facts about the tax cuts called for in the Ryan Plan: [Ryan’s tax plan: $6.2 trillion short]

    “The Tax Policy Center looked into the revenue loss associated with House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan’s plan to cut the tax code down to two rates of 10 percent and 25 percent. They estimate the changes would raise $31.1 trillion over 10 years, or 15.4 percent of GDP. That’s $10 trillion less than the tax code would raise if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire, and $4.6 trillion less than it would raise if all of the Bush tax cuts were extended.
    The Republican conressman says he’ll “broaden the tax base to maintain revenue…consistent with historical norms of 18 to 19 percent.” So let’s say Ryan needs to find close-enough deductions and loopholes to hit 18.5 percent of GDP. That means he’d need to close about $6.2 trillion in tax deductions and loopholes over 10 years.
    That will not be easy. And, as of now, he has not named even one deduction or loophole that he would close.”

    You simply cannot quarrel with the facts, Yorkshire! You should seriously consider voting for an Obama second term, because his approach to fiscal management is sane, compared to the insane Ryan plan. There is a reason why Ryan does not give the details on closing loopholes: Because the 1%, his supporters, are the ones who would suffer the most from closed loopholes.

  10. “You also “feel certain” that Voter ID measures are “voter suppression.” And you’re in the distinct minority on that one.

    Oh, wanna lecture us on how being in the minority doesn’t necessarily make one wrong again, hmm?”

    Obviously the majority are not being disenfranchised by these mostly red state initiatives, because most of them have photo IDs. Therefore they see no problem with requiring a photo ID.

    Even with voter suppression, I think President Obama will be reelected, bolstered by Romney’s choice of Ryan as a running mate. Medicare loving swing states, like FL and PA, will be voting for President Obama and the Dems, which will add to the projected results already in favor of an Obama win. The deal is sealed, thanks to Romney/Ryan missteps.

  11. You simply cannot quarrel with the facts, Yorkshire! You should seriously consider voting for an Obama second term, because his approach to fiscal management is sane

    Most debt compiled by any president ever, more than all previous ones combined; longest continued rate of unemployment over 8% since the Great Depression; unbridled crony capitalism; most Americans ever on some sort of gov. assistance; food stamp rolls through the roof … etc. etc. etc.

    Indeed, vote for Dictator Obama if you want to send this country on an elevator to Hell — goin’ down!

  12. Obviously the majority are not being disenfranchised by these mostly red state initiatives, because most of them have photo IDs. Therefore they see no problem with requiring a photo ID.

    Now you’re just making shit up. (Not that this ain’t very different from the past, mind you.) As has been documented here numerous times, majorities of various minority groups — those supposedly “disenfranchised” — favor voter ID.

    Just like Dictator Obama in 2008, all you can do is lie.

  13. Medicare loving swing states, like FL and PA, will be voting for President Obama and the Dems

    Indeed? The party that wants to destroy the program, whereas Romney-Ryan want to save it? Dream on, wife-beater. (But I might be wrong.)

  14. Over the last two years, we’ve seen an unprecedented number of attacks on a woman’s right to make her own health care decisions — and Congressman Ryan has been at the forefront of all of them.

    This is an outright lie. As often happens, you quote someone without naming them, so we don’t know who this mystery woman is (Sandra Fluck, maybe?). No one is restricting women’s health, not even the “Right” to kill her own baby, that, unfortunately, is up to the Supreme Court. No, I suppose this bimbo is whining about the “Right” to have her birth control paid by someone else, which isn’t a right at all, but a privilege.

  15. Not only don’t they care, but there are middle Americans who support the Romney/Ryan approach, as on this very blog, even against their own self interests. There is a word for this: suicidal. Go figure!!!

    If “Self interest” means we expect fewer free government benefits from a Republican Administration, then you’re right. Maybe we’re just not greedy that way.

  16. Right, and adding $4.7 trillion in tax cuts favoring the wealthy is something we should all cheer, especially since supply side economics has never been shown to be effective even though the Repubs have tried it twice and failed!

    Look at the employment rates under Reagan and Bush and compare them to the current occupant. Then tell us who has failed.

  17. “Indeed? The party that wants to destroy the program, whereas Romney-Ryan want to save it? Dream on, wife-beater. (But I might be wrong.)”

    Citation please, koolouse, on both points!

  18. Medicare loving swing states, like FL and PA, will be voting for President Obama

    I wouldn’t count on it. Ryan isn’t afraid to talk about Medicare, especially how:

    1) Obama plans to cut $700 billion from it to fund Obamacare.

    2) He is the only one in Congress who has come up with a long term plan to save it.

  19. “Most debt compiled by any president ever, more than all previous ones combined; longest continued rate of unemployment over 8% since the Great Depression; unbridled crony capitalism; most Americans ever on some sort of gov. assistance; food stamp rolls through the roof … etc. etc. etc.”

    Citation please, koolo, together with the causes of our Great Recession. Your party and you refuse to be held accountable for anything relating to the Great Recession, which is your Great Lie! Most Americans understand this!

  20. “1) Obama plans to cut $700 billion from it to fund Obamacare.

    2) He is the only one in Congress who has come up with a long term plan to save it.”

    You are seriously uninformed, Eric. The PPACA cut for Medicare are based on reduced health care costs made possible by the PPACA itself. You have just picked up on a wingnut talking point which is an outright lie.

    Moreover, you conveniently left out the end to Medicare as we know it if, perish the thought, the Ryan Plan is ever enacted, which will impact you, Eric, btw, as I assume you are under the age of 55. When you are old and suffering ill health, you will find yourself with Medicare vouchers of fixed amount which will not increase as medical costs continue to go up much faster than inflation, as will happen if the PPACA were ever killed.

    You need to plan for your future by thinking about the ramifications of the Ryan Plan, before you decide your vote in the upcoming election. All you will need as a senior citizen, covered by the Ryan Medicare, is one serious illness, and you will be bankrupt in the blink of an eye. If we still have Medicare then, you will be liable only for 20%, coverage which you will have earned by paying Medicare premiums for your entire employment history as an adult.

    Most people your age have no concept of the life-challenges existent when you reach your later years. If we still have Medicare as we know it then, trust me, you will be very thankful that you do!

  21. “Who in their right minds would ever choose to live a lifetime on welfare, unless … “

    Since when did you have to be in your right mind in order to establish a government backed dependency claim against innocent others?

  22. “If “Self interest” means we expect fewer free government benefits from a Republican Administration, then you’re right. Maybe we’re just not greedy that way.”

    That’s very easy to say when one is younger and healthy.

    Exactly what free benefits are you talking about, Eric. You would get “greedy” yourself if your life depended on assistance of some sort. This is what wingers with no vision, like yourself, frequently overlook.

    “Look at the employment rates under Reagan and Bush and compare them to the current occupant. Then tell us who has failed.”

    Neither Reagan nor Bush had an inherited Great Recession to deal with, so this statement is totally invalid!

    You probably mean to refer to the unemployment rates, which do not necessarily relate directly to job creation. Proof: President Obama has created over four times the jobs as created under Bush, but the unemployment rate is still too high, because jobs have been lost faster due to the Republican caused Great Recession.

    Under President Obama the unemployment rate has come down from 10.1% to 8.3%, a reduction of 17.8%, quite remarkable considering the lack of cooperation and the obstruction by Republicans in Congress, who have voted in lock-step against almost all of President Obama’s initiatives. And that is the truth!

  23. “Since when did you have to be in your right mind in order to establish a government backed dependency claim against innocent others?”

    If you regard yourself as one of the “innocent others”, DNW, you are delusional.

    You are like Romney, totally disconnected from the challenges brought on by systemic, centuries-old racism, job outsourcing, and the right wing tax policies of the current crop of wingers, of which you are a proud member in residence behind your walls and gates, both mentally and spiritually. You even go so far as to reject the New Testament teachings of the religious affiliation your parents chose for you!

  24. “Most people your age have no concept of the life-challenges existent when you reach your later years.”

    Whether that is true or not, or even true for everyone or not, they are acutely aware of the stolen and wasted life energies involved when they are unwillingly sucked into servicing your old age, in a way you were not for a previous generation.

    As I said before, you got the benefit of being free. Now, you wish to deprive others of the same heritage of freedom and self-direction by press-ganging their youth into the service of your old age.

  25. “Now you’re just making shit up. (Not that this ain’t very different from the past, mind you.) As has been documented here numerous times, majorities of various minority groups — those supposedly “disenfranchised” — favor voter ID.”

    BS, or, citation please, koolouse!

  26. “As I said before, you got the benefit of being free. Now, you wish to deprive others of the same heritage of freedom and self-direction by press-ganging their youth into the service of your old age.”

    What a bunch of crap, again, from DNW, a disconnected individual who has absolutely no sense of community, except with his own tribe, while lobbying for a government to be as disconnected as he!

  27. Wagonwheel says:
    August 15, 2012 at 12:00

    “Since when did you have to be in your right mind in order to establish a government backed dependency claim against innocent others?”

    If you regard yourself as one of the “innocent others”, DNW, you are delusional.

    You are like Romney, totally disconnected from the challenges brought on by systemic, centuries-old racism, job outsourcing, and the right wing tax policies of the current crop of wingers, of which you are a proud member in residence behind your walls and gates, both mentally and spiritually. You even go so far as to reject the New Testament teachings of the religious affiliation your parents chose for you!

    You have failed to address the actual proposition. As usual.

    Perhaps you believe that no one is innocent of guilt when it comes to your claims and that everyone shares an unceasing responsibility for you … maybe because you are just so critical to our own welfare that we just could not do without you or have satisfying positive lives if you were sent off and told to hoe your own row. Or, it might be because you figure that when you were whelped we all had a role in it.

    Maybe that is even what they taught you in Episcopalian school before you shrugged off the supernaturalistic rationale, but realized that the “community” aspect of it all could be pretty useful propaganda in feathering your own nest and increasing your own comfort level.

    You cynically march around with a cardboard Jesus in front of you like some stalking horse, as you hunt young Christian prey.

  28. It always disgusts me when some clown demands that it’s in my best interest to take money away from someone who earned it and to put it in my own pocket. I wish the Tenth Commandment violating Leftists would quit demanding it’s in my best interest to violate the Tenth Commandment myself. But then, they wouldn’t be Leftists. They’d be Libertarians or Conservatives. And they would be sane.

  29. Wagonwheel says:
    August 15, 2012 at 12:09

    “As I said before, you got the benefit of being free. Now, you wish to deprive others of the same heritage of freedom and self-direction by press-ganging their youth into the service of your old age.”

    What a bunch of crap, again, from DNW, a disconnected individual who has absolutely no sense of community, except with his own tribe …”

    Again no rebuttal of the critical point which is that you self-servingly wish to impose life limiting choice killing legal and financial burdens on the young and healthy which you never had to bear.

    By the way, if as you say I have a sense community with my “tribe”, then I do have a sense of community.

    Why I should feel altruistic toward a freedom killing subversive like you, you have yet to explain.

    ” … while lobbying for a government to be as disconnected as he!”

    You are either an authentic and natural born slave wannabe, or a scheming cynic who wishes to seduce others into slavery for his personal benefit. Either way, why would anyone wish to establish a connection with such as you? Even if you are, as you are, “through no fault of your own”.

  30. Wagonwheel says:
    August 15, 2012 at 09:11

    Here is the real outrage of Romney/Ryan, with a focus on Ryan, expressed by a woman: What is her name?

    “We cannot afford to let this man be a heartbeat away from the presidency.”

    Answer in two words: Joe Biden?

  31. Wagonwheel says:
    August 15, 2012 at 09:20

    “You mean in how well these last four years have worked so well in adding $5T to the debt and unemployment of 8%+ for the last 42 months.”

    Exactly, but let me finish your thought: $5T in debt caused mostly by the Republican Great Recession, followed by Republican Congressional dysfunction and obfuscation, as your prime goal stated at the beginning of the Obama term was to prevent a second term for President Obama.

    Not a citation is needed, but proof is needed? If none provided, it’s just more Debbie Wasserman Schultz supplied DNC talking points. And we see how she has done in the last few days.

  32. Here is more outrage about VP Candidate Paul Ryan:

    * After seven terms, Ryan has passed only two of his bills into law.

    * By a 3-1 margin, seniors do not want Medicare touched.

    * Ryan voted for the two Bush wars, Medicare D, and two Bush tax cuts, without paying for even one, therefore he is no fiscal conservative.

    * His budget plan would whack spending on programs such as health clinics, student loans and elementary and secondary education, all of which are broadly popular federal programs.

    * Taken together, the combination of Ryan’s positions on Medicare, Medicaid and immigration, along with local disappointment at the failure to pick Sen. Marco Rubio, makes winning Florida a much tougher climb.

    * For every conservative white Catholic Ryan may pick up, he could lose swing state females in particular and urban swing voters in general. The congressman is a hardliners’ hardliner on social issues, opposing federal funding for Planned Parenthood and favoring criminal penalties for doctors who perform abortions and a “personhood” amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which would open the possibility of prosecuting abortion as murder. He opposes same-sex marriage and partner benefits.

    * A key to Obama’s strategy has been to paint Romney as among the top one-tenth of the 1 percent, someone who manipulates the federal tax code to enrich himself. It appears to be working. Now Ryan’s budget, which proposes to abolish capital gains taxes, would benefit Romney (perhaps Ryan) personally even more.

    * Democrats have been justifiably worried about ginning up the same level of enthusiasm that Obama generated among young voters in 2008. Ryan, with his hardline views on social issues — not to mention a budget plan that would severely cut education spending and loans (while leaving the defense budget entirely exempt) — should help. Romney/Ryan would also abolish the very popular provision of the ACA that allows kids to stay on their parents’ health care until the age of 26.

    * Yes, Ryan is only 42 and still sleeps in his Capitol Hill office on works days, but he is a congressional insider, and a congressional insider at a time when Congress is despised as a whole and in its Republican particulars. The GOP-led House is the least popular political institution in Washington, and now the president and his party can run against one of its leaders in Ryan.

    * Republican strategists worry — with good reason — that the prominence of Ryan and his budget could cost the GOP House seats in blue or purple districts. “People are nervous, especially about the down ballot,” said former GOP Chairman Michael Steele. “It wouldn’t take that much of a shift for us to be in danger there.”

    * Not only is Ryan a seven-term insider, he is not quite the severe budget hawk that he and Romney claim he is. He lobbied for stimulus money for his district; and his family company in Janesville, Wis., has won numerous government contracts for construction and road work. Expect that topic to come up when Romney goes after the president on the question of who built what for business. Turns out that Ryan did — with federal money.
    h/t: Howard Fineman

    Ryan does have some positives, but they relate to the TEA Party agenda, which, except for reducing spending, I do not favor. I also do not favor instant austerity.

    Romney, a liability on his own campaign, has, in choosing Ryan, added to this liability. For the sake of the American people, I say: YAY!

  33. WW:
    You simply cannot quarrel with the facts, Yorkshire! You should seriously consider voting for an Obama second term, because his approach to fiscal management is sane, compared to the insane Ryan plan.

    Facts from Ezra Klein and WaPo? Heh, comedy again. And I’m supposed to believe someone who can’t even talk his own party into passing a budget for almost four years now, and all of a sudden he’s going to be Fiscally Responsible after four year of spend, spend, spend; suspend and change laws like a dictator? Sorry, there is no way I would ever vote for Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro lite.

  34. WW:
    Romney, a liability on his own campaign, has, in choosing Ryan, added to this liability. For the sake of the American people, I say: YAY!

    So, that is why R/R drew 13,000 the same night B Hussein O drew 600.

  35. “Not a citation is needed, but proof is needed? If none provided, it’s just more Debbie Wasserman Schultz supplied DNC talking points. And we see how she has done in the last few days.”

    The proof should be evident to anyone who has availed oneself to other than Rush Limbaugh and his ilk, and FoxNews, well known propagandists for extremist Republican talking points. Therefore, if it is not evident to you, Yorkshire, that’s on you. Bye!

  36. Wagonwheel says:
    August 15, 2012 at 12:50

    “Not a citation is needed, but proof is needed? If none provided, it’s just more Debbie Wasserman Schultz supplied DNC talking points. And we see how she has done in the last few days.”

    The proof should be evident to anyone who has availed oneself to other than Rush Limbaugh and his ilk, and FoxNews, well known propagandists for extremist Republican talking points. Therefore, if it is not evident to you, Yorkshire, that’s on you. Bye!

    No proof then.

  37. “Facts from Ezra Klein and WaPo? Heh, comedy again. And I’m supposed to believe someone who can’t even talk his own party into passing a budget for almost four years now, and all of a sudden he’s going to be Fiscally Responsible after four year of spend, spend, spend; suspend and change laws like a dictator? Sorry, there is no way I would ever vote for Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro lite.”

    Yorkshire, President Obama dutifully presented his budget to Congress on time every year. Since we have had a dysfunctional Congress controlled in the Senate by the filibuster, and in the House by an uncompromising majority the last two years, please explain to me how the Dems could possibly have passed a budget.

    It’s like our Great Recession, today’s Republicans refuse to be held accountable for any of their grievous mistakes. This is one big reason why Congress has only a 10% favorability rating. Except for TARP, the ARRA, and the PPACA, all passed before the House effectively shut everything down; they were all three reasonable and much needed accomplishments. We get nothing done in Congress when one party, yours Yorkshire, refuses to compromise on anything. What good is this for our country, I ask?

  38. Yorkshire says:
    August 15, 2012 at 12:55

    And let’s not forget, this post is supposed to be about the Racial Hatred remark of Biden.”

    There is no outrage because as Giuliani said, Biden is just not anywhere near a bright man.

    “Just a laugh line”

    “Actually he’s just not very smart.” Nor are those who support him.

  39. “Yorkshire, President Obama dutifully presented his budget to Congress on time every year …”

    How many Demo senators have voted for it.

  40. You are seriously uninformed, Eric. The PPACA cut for Medicare are based on reduced health care costs made possible by the PPACA itself.

    Which is, of course, a myth. Obamacare saves nothing, indeed, it is turning out to be a lot more expensive than originally promised.

  41. Most people your age have no concept of the life-challenges existent when you reach your later years. If we still have Medicare as we know it then, trust me, you will be very thankful that you do!

    Why should I be thankful to be dependent on government?

  42. All you will need as a senior citizen, covered by the Ryan Medicare, is one serious illness, and you will be bankrupt in the blink of an eye.

    Now you’re just spouting left wing propaganda. Where do you hear this crap?

  43. ” … controlled in the Senate by the filibuster …”

    Please explain how the budget can be filibustered.

    And then why Archdemonicrat Harry Reid would allow such a thing to transpire if it were legally, or even practically, possible.

    Since, unlimited speaking time is merely a tradition of the senate, and not a constitutional requirement, and it has never gone on beyond three days anyway?

    What are the Socialist Demonicrats in the Senate so busy doing that they cannot bring the budget to the floor for a vote?

  44. Neither Reagan nor Bush had an inherited Great Recession to deal with, so this statement is totally invalid!

    More Obama whining. When is he going to grow up and take responsibility for HIS economy? He’s had 3 1/2 years to fix things, and all he does is whine and blame Bush.

    PS Both Reagan and Bush inherited recessions, too. Remember staglation under Carter? The NASDAQ bubble under Clinton? Not to mention 9/11?

  45. You would get “greedy” yourself if your life depended on assistance of some sort.

    If you need assistance, that’s what friends, family, and neigbors are for. Not to mention churches and private charities.

    That’s the difference between us. You want as many people dependent on government as possible so you can get their votes, and thus more political power. We believe people should be encouraged to be self reliant. One position is un-American, the other is patriotic.

  46. Under President Obama the unemployment rate has come down from 10.1% to 8.3%, a reduction of 17.8%, quite remarkable considering the lack of cooperation and the obstruction by Republicans in Congress, who have voted in lock-step against almost all of President Obama’s initiatives. And that is the truth!

    How much longer are you going to peddle this lie? It has been pointed out to you many times that Obama got everything he wanted his first two years, and the economy is still a mess. Explain that, please!

  47. You even go so far as to reject the New Testament teachings of the religious affiliation your parents chose for you!

    That same New Testament whose central teachings you reject preaches the virtues of private, voluntary charity. In no way does it support your schemes for mass government dependency.

  48. `Citation please, koolo

    Already done. You didn’t see it? You either ignored it or you’re too stupid to remember. Probably both.

    BS, or, citation please, koolouse!

    Already done MANY times. You either ignored them or you’re too stupid to remember. Probably both.

  49. In Gospel of the loaves and fishes we saw Jesus feed the 5000 with a few fish and a few barley loaves and had 12 baskets of leftovers. Of course the 5000 wanted Jesus to stay, but he left. Hmm, if Jesus stayed, the people would become dependent on him to feed them everyday, but no, he escaped across the lake. Now what message is here? I think we see all through the gospel single acts of charity, but no acts of total physical dependency. Now spiritual dependency is a different discussion.

  50. Do you know why the totally dishonest Perry would not name or link to the totally dishonest woman in his big quote of her? I’ll tell you why, very clearly. And you’ll derisively mock Perry for touting a known radical Leftist liar who has been hammered lately in the Liberal media (CNN, Wolfe Blitzer, hello) for lying and supporting other Leftist liars that the Liberal media (Washington Post, hello) has awarded “pants on fire” awards to, as in “liar, liar, pants on fire”.

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, has just sent out a fundraising letter criticizing her House colleague Paul Ryan, saying a Vice President Ryan would be a “nightmare” and that “we cannot afford to let this man be a heartbeat away from the presidency.” Read the email below:

    So Perry has gone to pushing Democrat fund-raising emails as if they were facts or something, and refusing to cite the source, in a very clear-cut double-standard that he uses extremely frequently. And that’s why Perry refused, after multiple requests for documentation, to provide it. He was quoting a well-known liar and claiming it to be factual.

  51. We don’t know if that Obama Super PAC that is led by Democrat former members of Presidential administrations is Democrat or not. So said Debbie Whatshername Schmuck. Then she changed her mind a day or three later and admitted that, of course, that Super PAC that has been getting all those “pants on fire” awards for so blatantly lying that even Liberal media couldn’t shill for them is indeed Democrat.

    Conservatives don’t want Debbie to shut up. Every time she opens her mouth, more people are won over to the Conservative side. She’s one of our best weapons against the Democrat Party. Of course, she’s a “dirty bomb” so it might not be fair for us to have her out there doing our campaigning for us.

  52. I can just imagine Passive-Aggressive Perry failing most or all of his past students because, even though they fully documented their research. Students were constantly aghast at all his written “citation, pleases!” throughout their papers, all the while students constantly pointed and said, “DUH, Mr. Passive-Aggressive Perry!” It’s RIGHT THERE!!”

  53. And we still haven’t seen Perry’s explanation as to why former Congressional Black Caucus member Artur Davis switched from Democrat to Republican after the TEAnami of 2010. In Artur Davis’ own words, he didn’t leave the Democrat Party, it left him.

  54. OOOOPS, He did it again. The gift that keeps on giving.

    Biden ‘Folks, Where’s it Written We Cannot Lead the World in the 20th Century in Making Automobiles?’
    1:02 PM, Aug 15, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

    In a speech today in Virginia, Vice President Joe Biden seemed to forget we’re in the 21st century:

    ‘Folks, where’s it written we cannot lead the world in the 20th century in making automobiles?,” said Biden.

    UPDATE: Ryan Williams, a spokesman for the Romney campaign, responds: “Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will ensure America leads the world in the 21st century by strengthening middle-class families and creating jobs. President Obama and Vice President Biden have taken our nation backward with failed policies that have resulted in higher unemployment, more debt, and a weaker economy. A campaign based on rage and divisiveness can’t hide the president’s failed record.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-folks-wheres-it-written-we-cant-lead-world-20th-century_650017.html

  55. “Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, has just sent out a fundraising letter criticizing her House colleague Paul Ryan, saying a Vice President Ryan would be a “nightmare” and that “we cannot afford to let this man be a heartbeat away from the presidency.””

    Oh I absolutely agree with that statement, which is why I am pleased that you posted it, John.

    I do not appreciate your anti-Jewish mockery of our fine DNC chairman. You should be ashamed! Oh, never mind WW, you are addressing John Hitchcock, who exhibits none of his Christian teachings, as he corrupts this blog on a daily basis.

  56. Perry, you who are very clearly anti-Semitic in your hatred of Israel, it is very cute that you would call on your phony “raaaaacist” card. It’s so overplayed that nobody even takes it seriously anymore. The boy who cried wolf and all. But you go ahead and repeat the lying Leftist’s lies even though the Liberal media is starting to call her on her lies. Sure is nice of you to throw Democrat Erskine Bowles under the Obama-worshiping bus, since he declared Ryan’s budget plan to be honest and sensible.

  57. Hilarious. Anti-Semite Perry complaining about “anti-Jewish” mockery. That’s only b/c it dares to be aimed at American liberal Democrats; when it comes to Jewish Israelis, however, Passive-Aggressive Perry is squarely in the Hamas/Hizbollah/Muslim Brotherhood camp: Do what you will with the “invaders.”

  58. “I do not appreciate your anti-Jewish mockery of our fine DNC chairman”

    What specifically Judaic did he mock by deriding her, and quite truthfully, as a blithe liar?

    You can tell me. I probably won’t miss the reference, since I studied the history of Judaism and the development of the Babylonian Talmud under a rabbi who served as an adjunct professor of history at my school. My thesis (in the small sense) was on Philo Judaeus and his incorporation and development of the Greek idea of the Logos.

    He was always a little annoyed that I didn’t use Wolfson as a source but never took it out on my grade.

    So shoot …

  59. Yup, Perry the Socialist from Delaware, throw up (pun intended) a very well-known radical Leftist liar, a liar who lies so blatantly that even the Liberal shills in the Washington Post and on CNN and elsewhere have to call her out on her lies. Because even the Liberal media know no intelligent, intellectually honest person will buy her heavy doses of crapola. Her crap she’s dishing out is so beyond the pale that even the Liberal media have taken to browbeating her for even deigning to say it.

    But Perry the Socialist from Delaware calls her a “fine DNC chairman”, forgetting his radical Leftist PC by calling her a chairMAN, which is wholly unacceptable to Leftist women. And because I hammered her on the fact that she’s such a horrible and constant liar that even the Leftist media cannot let her lies pass unchallenged, Perry the racist has to decide it must be the heritage, so he stupidly attacks me for being against the one People in the entire world that I value more greatly than Americans: GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE.

    Perry is so delusionally diseased that even The Onion could not provide a parody of him.

  60. As I said before, Conservatives wouldn’t dare try to shut Debbie Wasserman Schultz up. She’s so well known as the off-the-wall, way out-of-touch radical Leftist liar that even the Leftist media has to call out for lying, that Conservatives want her to keep talking. Conservatives want to point her out and tell the rest of America “there’s what the Democrat Party is today.” Because then, if people actually believe DWS represents the Democrat Party, they will want nothing to do with it.

    And that’s why we love it when she keeps spewing her hate-filled vile lies. We get more voters every time she speaks.

  61. DNW, to use a severe pejorative, schmuck, meaning penis, against a Jewish woman with whose politics he does not agree, is sinking to a new low for John Hitchcock, who already occupies a low point by his typical behavior on here. Moreover, his behavior reflects on all others on this blog, including the blog owner, who refuse to speak out against this outrage.

    I trust you would never choose to use such language.

  62. Perry, schmuck means stupid fool. Which is a coincidence, because that’s what Perry means. But nice try at using some arcane definition, which you have not proven is actually real. We all know you have a penchant for redefining terms to become the antithesis of what those terms actually mean. You have done it on this site and the old site innumerable times.

  63. I would find it interesting that the person on here who uses the term “teabagger”, which is a very explicit homosexual term related to a very specific oral act between two men, would decide to declare an innocent colloquialism to be sexually perverse and would pound his keyboard with such spittle-flecked false rage… but it’s Perry who did that. And Perry is well-known for being the most vile liar around while at the same time crying crocodile tears whenever someone takes his cookies and milk away from him.

  64. Wagonwheel, I thought “putz” meant penis. I thought “schmuck” meant ass-hole. At least that’s how my first wife’s (very) Jewish family used the terms.

  65. “Hilarious. Anti-Semite Perry complaining about “anti-Jewish” mockery. That’s only b/c it dares to be aimed at American liberal Democrats; when it comes to Jewish Israelis, however, Passive-Aggressive Perry is squarely in the Hamas/Hizbollah/Muslim Brotherhood camp: Do what you will with the “invaders.””

    Kooloose, you are mighty “loose” with the truth, as you make up stuff which is simply untrue. You give no example of my alleged “anti-semitism”, a characterization of which you even have no understanding, or you would not use the term as you do.

    Considering the example you set on this blog, one would never consider that you were a teacher. But you are, by your own admission, and set an outrageous example, especially to young people. I am ashamed to admit that you are a teacher in my state, and a member of my own latter career profession. I’m pretty sure your peers would be flabbergasted to witness your behavior on here, which is probably you cover up your identity like the coward that you are.

    Now since you have made this charge, how about you prove it with a quote in context. Otherwise, it will be considered just one more example of your untruthful behavior on here, not only by me, but the many silent observers we have on this blog.

    To criticize the behavior of Israel in certain instances does not comprise being anti-Israel or anti-Jewish or even anti-Semitic, the latter being a misnomer used only by the ignorant, like yourself.

    Your obvious intent, kooloose, is to stifle my free expression. Regardless of what you say/have said, that has not happened and is not going to happen. Moreover, yours is the behavior of an insecure individual, uncertain of his/her own positions, thus left to yell and scream innuendos, obscenities, and tell lies. Said otherwise, you fear a civil debate, which stems from a feeling of inferiority and a lack of respect for civility, a near worthless state of being for any organism, let alone a school teacher.

  66. “Wagonwheel, I thought “putz” meant penis. I thought “schmuck” meant ass-hole. At least that’s how my first wife’s (very) Jewish family used the terms.”

    Well perhaps there are different translations from the Yiddish, but whichever translation one uses, schmuck is a pejorative, and one which only John Hitchcock, the lowest of the low on here, in my view, would ever dare use.

  67. “I would find it interesting that the person on here who uses the term “teabagger”, which is a very explicit homosexual term related to a very specific oral act between two men, would decide to declare an innocent colloquialism to be sexually perverse and would pound his keyboard with such spittle-flecked false rage… but it’s Perry who did that. And Perry is well-known for being the most vile liar around while at the same time crying crocodile tears whenever someone takes his cookies and milk away from him.”

    John, if I’ve used the word “teabagger” before, and I may have, I was not aware of your translation of this term until you mentioned it at the time. But even if I did use the term as a pejorative, I obviously did not intend it as such. But I think you knew very well that “schmuck” is a pejorative, which you used against Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, about as nasty an expression against a Jewish woman which could possibly be used by any critic.

    You can elevate yourself if you would man up and admit to your error of judgment.

    And I would hope that when our Editor sees it, that he will replace it with his red colored font, advising that such libelous pejoratives are not permitted to be used on his blog.

  68. John Hitchcock, the lowest of the low on here

    That’s funny, because the Editor, Eric, Yorkshire (I chose those names specifically due to what Perry, the lowest of the low in many people’s opinion here, said previously about them) hold me in high regard.

  69. Oh, quit whining, Perry. Schmuck has become a generalized insult, meaning a fool or stupid person, and has nothing to do with your charge of being anti-Semitic. Joe Biden is, for example, a schmuck par excellence, indeed, we have to wonder what a putz Obama was to ever pick him as a VP. Your side laughed at Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin, but Biden is stupider than both of them combined. Aren’t you embarrassed to have him on your ticket?

  70. Well I hate to tell you Wagonwheel, but if you had any contact with Jewish people like I’ve had, you’d have heard both of those pejoratives often. Sorry, but they really use them more in a slang way then actually meaning what the words mean. It really dosen’t matter since we all know DWS is not a literally a penis. Although I do think she’s a bit of an ass-hole, just sayin’.

  71. Here is what the Editor said in response to one of Perry’s many outlandishly dishonest, radical Leftist claims: And I quote, “Oh, bullshit”. Yorkshire told Perry, on multiple occasions, to take his dishonest demands for citations (which had been provided unsolicited numerous times before) and shove them, Yorkshire wasn’t going to stand for Perry’s dishonest demands. Eric has said the same sort of thing to Perry. As has Hoagie, Koolo, DNW, ropelight, myself, and others.

    So, yeah, Perry is the lowest of the low on this site and he has no problem dishonestly attacking respected members here from his perch among those who have nothing worthy of respect to offer.

  72. John, if I’ve used the word “teabagger” before, and I may have, I was not aware of your translation of this term until you mentioned it at the time. But even if I did use the term as a pejorative, I obviously did not intend it as such.

    Raise of hands. Does anybody at all believe this series of outright lies from Perry? How many times has Perry used the term before? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? How many times has he used it without intending to use it pejoratively? Zero? And as far as what is obvious, The above quote is obviously a series of lies attached to dishonesties, coupled with blatant falsehoods from Perry, the well-known liar.

  73. “John, if I’ve used the word “teabagger” before, and I may have, I was not aware of your translation of this term until you mentioned it at the time. But even if I did use the term as a pejorative, I obviously did not intend it as such.”

    Common Wagonwheel! We all use perjoratives you too. We’re grown ups we can handle it. But please, don’t try and act lilly-white, innocent and above the rest of us. You’re not kidding aqnyone but yourself.

  74. “Wagonwheel says:
    August 16, 2012 at 11:04

    DNW, to use a severe pejorative, schmuck, meaning penis, against a Jewish woman with whose politics he does not agree, is sinking to a new low for John Hitchcock, who already occupies a low point by his typical behavior on here. Moreover, his behavior reflects on all others on this blog, including the blog owner, who refuse to speak out against this outrage.

    I trust you would never choose to use such language.”

    So you don’t really have an argument that John has expressed an anti-Judaic or Jewish in any religious or even ethic sense.

    But your contention amounts to the argument that to alliteratively substitute for her last name an American English term of derision, which once was a Yiddish term, which figuratively transformed a German term having no sexual connotations, is off limits because she has what appears to you to be a German-Jewish name.

    You make no argument I presume that she is a believer in or practitioner of her ancestor’s presumed faith, nor that John insulted that. And of course “Schultz” is not to the best of my knowledge a name possessed exclusively or even predominantly by German-Jews or their descendants.

    Let’s try and get a little perspective here by referring to a favorite source of information for so many aspiring leftist new media types

    WIKI:

    Schmuck or shmuck in American English is a pejorative meaning an obnoxious, contemptible or detestable person, or one who is stupid or foolish. The word entered English from Yiddish, where it has similar pejorative meanings, but its original meaning in Yiddish is penis.[1][2] Because of its vulgarity, the word is euphemized as schmoe, which was the source of Al Capp’s cartoon strip creature the shmoo. Variants include schmo and shmo.

    In Jewish homes, the word was “regarded as so vulgar as to be taboo” and Lenny Bruce wrote that saying it on stage got him arrested on the West Coast “by a Yiddish undercover agent who had been placed in the club several nights running to determine if my use of Yiddish terms was a cover for profanity”.
    Etymology

    The German word Schmuck means “jewelry, adornments”; the equivalent in Yiddish is schmock or shmock. In German the pejorative “schmuck” would be Schmock, closer to the original Yiddish word. The transition of the word from meaning “jewel” to meaning “penis” is related to the description of a man’s genitals as “the family jewels”"

    So, Perry, I think that you are off base, and that even your definition of its “meaning” is off in two out of three cases, i.e., the literal and the current.

    I however, you are correct, would not have called her Debbie Wasserman-Schmuck in order to express the scorn which she is plentifully due as a lying and conscienceless anti-liberty moral miscreant.

    I might have considered substituting the alliterative “Schnauzer”, except that it would be considered an insult to the dog, and someone would have undoubtedly begun claiming I was anti-German.

  75. So you don’t really have an argument that John has expressed an anti-Judaic or Jewish sentiment in any religious or even ethic sense.

  76. “And I would hope that when our Editor sees it, that he will replace it with his red colored font, advising that such libelous pejoratives are not permitted to be used on his blog.”

    What’s libelous about sneering at her as as a schmuck?

    I’ve called her a liar and a moral miscreant, and that is not libelous. It’s true.

  77. For some odd reason I expected you to defend John, DNW, meaning that you are lower than low as well. Exactly what is it that she has said which would explain your fall from grace?

  78. Hoagie says:
    August 16, 2012 at 11:28

    Wagonwheel, I thought “putz” meant penis. I thought “schmuck” meant ass-hole. ”

    Speaking of which …

    Years ago, recently out of college and my first serious job [carpentry while important and stock clerking not counting] my boss, a Purdue grad and only about 6 years older than me and whose name was … let me make one up that conveys the sense of … well, say his name was “Howie Levin”, comes up to me and says,

    “Hey. You want to hear a JAP joke?”

    I looked at him and thought “What? A ‘Jap’ joke?”

    I didn’t know what to say. And as I was trying to figure out what he could possibly have meant, he says to me, “What’s a Jewish American Princess do with her a**-h*** every morning?”

    “Uhhh, I … don’t know”

    “She sends him off to work!!!! Hahahahahah!!!”

    He had another one about an excer-cycle which I can’t remember at all and yet another concerning the difference between Jello and; the punch line being “Jello quivers when …”

    So anyway.

  79. Wagonwheel says:
    August 16, 2012 at 13:13

    For some odd reason I expected you to defend John, DNW, meaning that you are lower than low as well.

    So rebutting your rhetorical pose, your trumped up charge, and the grounds for your faux outrage supposedly renders me lower than low. While this anti-liberty crank Schultz …

    “Exactly what is it that she has said …”

    When caught in the creation and propagation of malevolent falsehoods and verbally indicted on it, she, quoting her fellow Schultz cried out in reply, “I know nothing …!”

  80. There is a Sports writer for the Baltimore Sun named Peter Schmuck and his column is titled “The Schmuck Stops Here” Website included for disbelievers.

    Now if I had enough time to search through the CSPT archives I KNOW the term TEABAGGERS was explained there more than once for almost two years. I know it was one of PIATOR’s favorite taunts there along with his little sidekick.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/

  81. “Yorkshire says:
    August 16, 2012 at 16:12

    There is a Sports writer for the Baltimore Sun named Peter Schmuck and his column is titled “The Schmuck Stops Here” Website included for disbelievers.

    Now if I had enough time to search through the CSPT archives I KNOW the term TEABAGGERS was explained there more than once for almost two years. I know it was one of PIATOR’s favorite taunts there along with his little sidekick.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/

    Perry regularly used it as well.

    Speaking of whom, he’s apparently received a “hat tip” from a friend which was intended to assist him in his nonsensical push back exercises.

    If you were to make a short list of his friends, who might you include? LOL

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