Our friends on the left being oh-so-multiculturalist are not multi-culturalist enough to tolerate opinions of which they disapprove

From William Teach at The Pirate’s Cove:

Philly Mafia Plans Resolution Against Chick-fil-a

July 28, 2012 – 9:42 am

Did I write “mafia”? I meant the Philadelphia city council, which, like many other political leaders in big liberal cities, is acting in a manner reminiscent of organized crime, declaring that a privately owned company must change its behavior in order to operate in those cities, which is a tactic similar to what organized crime does, known as “extortion”, which is a felony. When I first wrote a post about Dan Cathy stating that the company doesn’t support gay marriage back on the 20th, I had no idea of the true extent of the liberal apoplexy to come

(Fox News) The Philadelphia City Council will consider a resolution condemning Chick-fil-A for what one city leader called “anti-American” attitudes that promote “hatred, bigotry and discrimination.”

Interesting: I thought the anti-American attitude was one of stopping both free speech and freedom of association. Silly me. Do you see Conservatives rushing out to abandon Amazon due to Jeff Bezos, founder of Amazon, donating $2.5 million to gay marriage? Nope. If we were truly upset, we’d just create a competing company. But, we all know that Lefties are pretty lose with their definition of “anti-American.”

City Councilman Jim Kenney sent a letter to Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy telling him to “take a hike and take your intolerance with you.”

“My effort is to allow people to understand that in certain segments of corporate America there are folks who are using their dollars to promote hatred, bigotry and discrimination,” Kenney told Fox News.

He is introducing a resolution to “condemn this anti-American attitude of trying to deny civil liberties that every American enjoys.”

Kenney joined the mayors of Boston, Chicago and now San Francisco in blasting the Atlanta-based company for supporting a biblical definition of marriage – a union between one man and one woman.

In Liberal World, one is not allowed to disagree with the tenants. Diverging opinion are verboten, comrades, and must be squashed. It’d be interesting to see what would happen if the company pulled all their stores from the liberal cities, reducing jobs and tax money. Other companies might be reticent to build in those cities, since the possibility of being extorted by the politicians would be ever present, and what business owner wants the extra hassle? Is it any wonder job creation is low, what with crazy liberal politicians out there (among other reasons)?

Mr Teach’s use of the word “mafia” seems appropriate. From The Philadelphia Inquirer:

Changing Skyline: Unions, developers stuck in standoff over Philadelphia building

Inga Saffron, Philadelphia Inquirer Architecture Critic

It was early March when the siege began at the Goldtex construction site just north of Center City, and it has continued all through this brutally hot summer – almost five long months. Workers have been beaten, car tires slashed. Delivery trucks are blocked for hours. This week, two people were arrested on assault charges. Neighborhood residents are afraid to walk near the building.

If a gang held a Philadelphia house hostage for this long, you can bet it would have been all over the news and politicians would be issuing releases by the gross. The events at Goldtex are part of a union protest, so there is practically a Cone of Silence hanging over this tense and increasingly violent standoff.

Philadelphia, we need to talk.

It hardly needs to be said that Philadelphia is an old-school union town, one of the last left in America where muscle and tradition rule unquestioned. Until two thirtysomething developers, Michael and Matthew Pestronk, began converting a 10-story loft building at 12th and Wood Streets into 163 apartments, no one had dared in decades to build a major project here without an all-union workforce.

Much, much more at the link. Mrs Saffron continues to note the union harassment of the Post Brothers’1 project. Post Brothers are using some union and some non-union labor, having offered contracts to union carpenters, electricians and demolition crews, but did not want to contract with the laborers union; to do so would have grossly inflated costs through overly-high wages and requirements for more laborers than the job required.

As I noted here, ALa had a story, last May, about her husband (referred to as The Man in her article) working construction on a non-union job in the City of Brotherly Love:

The Nasty Front Lines of Pay to Play

I have to imagine that even pro-union folks from some cute little Midwest town would be absolutely floored at the abject thuggery that goes down here in Philadelphia. When you meet wildly anti-union people (like me), it’s not because we don’t understand the history of the need to organize or the fact that some companies do take advantage of workers. It’s because we have faith that free market and healthy competition has corrected that need. And it’s because we have been direct recipients of the brand of justice unions here see fit to dish out. Screaming in your face is the best of it and handing out pictures of your children or your wife photoshopped in some bizarre sex act, property damage and bodily harm the worst of it.

The Man is now on a job so contentious it’s made national news. He is escorted in daily by Blackwater security.

You can see signage and video feeds of the actual and documented thuggery here: PhillyBully.com

Do you remember the fire that just took the lives of two firefighters from my brother’s station? Well, that fire took place in an abandoned building that was neglected by the owners and the city that became a den of iniquity and a major health risk for the community…and ultimately two public servants.

This building The Man is at (pictured) is similar. Dubbed “the Graffiti building” by local residents it is a rat infested, homeless flop house, eye sore that has the potential to be a health/fire hazard to the surrounding residents. They are THRILLED that this building is being revitalized. Turned into posh apartments by two ballsy guys from Virginia that refuse to play by the Pay to Play rules here in the city of brotherly love. Kudos to them for standing strong.

We’ve heard that the unions, all of them, are “more riled up than they have been in 25 years.” They can’t believe these guys aren’t caving.

Yesterday, escorted by 2 Blackwater guys and a detective, as The Man drove in to the fenced parking area through a throng of 40+ union members (the masons and the carps that particular day) the guys were screaming various things like, “we know who you are” and mumbled threats…but the two that always floor me…? “We’re fighting for your living wage!” The guys at The Man’s company get paid on the exact scale the union guys do, except they don’t have to pay union dues. Duh. And, “You’re taking food out of my kids’ mouths!” Ummm, you dolt, what about my kids?! Are they supposed to starve? If it’s between my kids and your kids…in what bizarro realm am I concerned about yours?

I wish I could have some Blackwater guys so I could go pick the brains (?!) of these lemmings…

Mrs Saffron noted in her story that the government officials in Philadelphia are remarkably silent about the Goldtex project and the union thuggery that has slowed the project down to where it is four months behind schedule. They have plenty of time to worry that the owners of Chick-Fil-A2 are Christians who believe in marriage as it has been known throughout the Christian world for 2,000 years but seem remarkably unconcerned that a private developer is losing money having to defend against illegal thuggery by union picketers or that hard-working men in Philadelphia have been physically attacked, and had their property vandalized by the union goons.3

Chick-Fil-A has about 1,600 restaurants nationwide, and employs tens of thousands of people. Chicago Alderman Proco “Joe” Moreno apparently has the legal authority to deny Chick-fil-A a building permit in his Ward, and plans to exercise it due to the statements by company President Dan Cathy. That there will be dozens of people in the first Ward who will not get the jobs which Chick-fil-A planned to create in the Alderman’s district is of apparently less moment than political correctness. That Chicago has the highest murder rate of all of the world’s major cities and that bringing a few more jobs to the Windy City might help just a little is also of less importance.

Now, if Chick-fil-A was denying the benefits required by state law to employees in same-sex “marriages,” there could be some legal action undertaken against the company. However, after a reasonable internet search, I have failed to find a single reference to the company doing that or being accused of doing that.

Your Editor is not one of those who will either boycott Chick-fil-A for its owners’ political and religious views or who will take a special effort to eat there;4 there isn’t a Chick-fil-A restaurant around here, although there is one in the Lehigh Valley Mall, where I get at least four times a year. Former Governor Sarah Palin (R-AK) did make a special stop to buy at Chick-fil-A, as noted by Donald Douglas, while William Jacobsen of Le*gal In*sur*rec*tion noted the amazing display of civility amongst our friends on the left concerning Mrs Palin’s visit. We know that the left hate sexism, because they have so often told us so, but somehow the actual evidence of such seems sparse.
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  1. Post Brothers is the corporate name for Michael and Matthew Pestronk.
  2. Chick-Fil-A is a family-owned company; its shares are not publicly traded. Thus, there are no public shareholders who can dismiss the company leadership for the president’s remarks.
  3. The editors of The Philadelphia Inquirer did run the story, but it’s pretty deeply buried in the print edition, in the Home & Design section published Friday. Mrs Saffron was not terribly sympathetic to the unions’ positions, but she did manage to throw in some liberal platitudes, such as, “It’s also worth pointing out that unions play a valuable role in protecting American workers from exploitation and abuse by employers, especially in these days of the suffering 99 percent.” She did note that the city has lost many substantial projects due to the inflated costs and political stranglehold the unions have created.
  4. I will not cease using amazon.com simply because the founder, Jeff Bezos, donated $2.5 million to support same-sex “marriage,” something I see as ridiculous, sinful and a contradiction in terms. I use amazon.com because it is convenient, useful and provides me with sales-tax free shopping.

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  1. In response to a question about his company’s well known and long standing support for families, Dan Cathy, President of Chick-fil-A, told the Biblical Reporter: (emphasis added)

    Well, guilty as charged. We are very much supportive of the family – the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that. We operate as a family business … our restaurants are typically led by families – some are single. We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that … We intend to stay the course. We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.

    Additionally, on the Ken Coleman
radio program June 16th Cathy said:

    As it relates to society in general, I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, ‘We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.’ I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we would have the audacity to try to redefine what marriage is all about.

    Dan Cathy’s statements in favor of traditional marriage were quickly mischaracterized as opposition to gay marriage and attacks against him and his company were launched by the Homo-Nazis and their accomplices and enablers in an ugly orgy of the politics of personal destruction.

    To them, Cathy’s statements of support for traditional marriage couldn’t be allowed to stand uncontested. Cathy may be entitled to his opinions but he wasn’t going to be allowed to express them in public without the hounds of hell barking and snarling at his heels.

    To the Homo-Nazis Cathy’s comments constituted proof not just of hostility to gay marriage but hostility to the very presence of gays and lesbians in public life. Moreover, that he and his company made donations to groups supporting traditional marriage outraged gay and lesbian organizations to the extent they mobilized the leftist establishment in an ill advised boycott of Chick-fil-A.

    Homo-Nazis rushed to vilify Dan Cathy and they plan to picket his business locations because the flaming hypocrites in the diversity crowd just can’t tolerate divergent views, even when those views are sanctified by thousands of years of human experience.

  2. Richard Viguerie at Newsmax has an excellent overview of the Democrats’ election season jihad against Dan Cathy and Chick-fil-A. Viguerie puts it in the larger context of Obama’s recent “evolution” from a position on gay marriage not greatly different from Cathy’s to the expected inclusion of a gay marriage plank in the Democrat Platform to the general hostility of the elite Left’s hatred for all things Christian. (Black Christians are horrified.)

    Chick-fil-A: Democrats’ Jihad Against Christians

    …It doesn’t matter that Chick-Fil-A has not turned away a single customer because that customer was a homosexual. It doesn’t matter that Chick-fil-A has not discriminated in any way against either employees or customers. Democrats want to punish the company, its management and employees because they would not stay silent on the issue of same-sex marriage.

    The goal of Democrats in the controversy over Dan Cathy’s remarks and Chick-fil-A’s company policies is not to convince a majority of Americans that same-sex marriage is the kind, fair or tolerant position to hold — or even that it is the constitutionally correct policy.

    The goal of Democrats is to threaten, bully, coerce and punish millions of Americans into abandoning their Christian beliefs in favor of a soulless secularism with government at its center.

    To escape a place where the government told you that to succeed you must reject Christian values or that you must think a certain way is why millions fled to America and the New World.

    If Democrats can punish and coerce Dan Cathy and Chick-fil-A into submission on same-sex marriage, where will the attacks on Christians and biblical values end?

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Chick-fil-A: Democrats’ Jihad Against Christians

  3. Dan Cathy is certainly entitled to believe what he wishes, but this does not disallow those who disagree to engage in the debate as well.

    The fact of the matter is, to oppose homosexuals on Biblical grounds, or whatever grounds can be ginned up by bigots, and to attempt to dismiss them as deviants, is exactly where the desire “to threaten, bully, coerce and punish millions of Americans” who happen to have inherited the genetic make-up. And the number of Americans so afflicted is in the tens of millions, considering about 10% of us indeed inherited it. So this is far from a trivial matter, which social conservatives which to make a mountain of it.

    So yes, the goal of Dems and all fail-minded Americans, is to “to convince a majority of Americans that same-sex marriage is the kind, fair or tolerant position to hold — or even that it is the constitutionally correct policy.

    Hopefully, even bigots like ropelight might finally come around to be convinced that his prejudices are not in line with the way people with character approach these issues.

  4. So yes, the goal of Dems and all fail-minded Americans, is to “to convince a majority of Americans that same-sex marriage is the kind, fair or tolerant position to hold — or even that it is the constitutionally correct policy.

    Fail minded Americans is right. These losers have apparently never heard of the First Amendment.

  5. Hopefully, even bigots like ropelight might finally come around to be convinced that his prejudices are not in line with the way people with character approach these issues.

    People with character? That obviously does not include YOU.

  6. Dan Cathy is certainly entitled to believe what he wishes, but this does not disallow those who disagree to engage in the debate as well.

    But they DON”T want to engage in the debate. They want to try to shut down a business based on the personal opinions of the owner. Well, good luck with that! There’s a lot more of us than them!

  7. “But they DON”T want to engage in the debate. They want to try to shut down a business based on the personal opinions of the owner. Well, good luck with that! There’s a lot more of us than them!”

    That is only Richard Vigueri’s opinion, Eric, which is not gospel, except perhaps in the minds of bigots, like you?

    Perhaps there is an upwelling of resentment to Cathy’s views on homosexuals and gay marriage, understandably so, because they are bigoted views against certain Americans he does not like because of their sexual orientation. Americans who are upset with this have every right to boycott his establishments if they so wish.

    “Fail minded Americans is right. These losers have apparently never heard of the First Amendment.”

    Of course, it was meant to be “fair-minded”, a class of Americans to which you have chosen not to belong, Eric, instead promoting your bigotry and prejudices!

    PS: Richard Viguerie, btw, was a member of the American Independent Party founded by George Wallace and which ran Lester Maddux, both well known American racists. A more slimy collection of southern American politicians one would be hard pressed to find.

  8. Perhaps there is an upwelling of resentment to Cathy’s views on homosexuals and gay marriage, understandably so, because they are bigoted views against certain Americans he does not like because of their sexual orientation. Americans who are upset with this have every right to boycott his establishments if they so wish.

    And a lot more people will eat there as a backlash against the extremists. All he did was support the traditional, Biblical version of marriage, which is still the mainstream position in this country.

  9. Mike Huckabee responded to a question along the same lines as Eric’s prediction, he told Newsmax:

    “When Christians speak up and say what they believe, they are ridiculed and threatened by small militant minorities of groups that try to shut them down and shut them up by any means they can. People have a right to free speech in this country and we can’t let people take it away no matter what side we are on. I disagree with a lot of what other people say but I think they have a right to their opinion.

    “On Wednesday I hope there is a line out the door and around the block of every one of the over 1,600 Chick-fil-A restaurants. We have had over 20 million people reached in the last week through our Facebook page. We have over 515,000 people who have ‘RSVP’d’ for the event, and both of those numbers are still growing.”

    Finally, Huckabee was asked if Chick-fil-A is prepared for the huge numbers of customers expected to visit one of the chain’s restaurants on Wednesday.

    “I hope they are,” he responded. “One thing I do know about Chick-fil-A is they are an efficient company and a customer service-driven company, so I bet they excel tomorrow.

    “They have great food, great service, and tomorrow they will have a great day.”

  10. “The fact of the matter is, to oppose homosexuals on Biblical grounds, or whatever grounds can be ginned up by bigots, and to attempt to dismiss them as deviants, is exactly where the desire “to threaten, bully, coerce and punish millions of Americans” who happen to have inherited the genetic make-up.”

    “Punish”. In libspeak that is to “refuse to affirm, and to commit to a shared fate no matter how patently self-destructive or absurd“.

    Also, although the paragraph as a whole makes no sense when read closely, it does sound quite absolutist. So what if that is their genetic make-up?

    From your viewpoint it is apparently that they have inherited a tendency or susceptibility for a behavioral defect or anomaly “through no fault of their own“.

    No doubt given the criminal behavior of your ancestors, you rather identify with that.

  11. “From your viewpoint it is apparently that they have inherited a tendency or susceptibility for a behavioral defect or anomaly “through no fault of their own“.

    No doubt given the criminal behavior of your ancestors, you rather identify with that.”

    To have been born a homosexual needs no defense, only understanding, though never from the likes of lily white DNW, who supposes that his ancestors were squeaky clean, as he was probably told, as he also presumes himself to be as well, as viewed from his land of make believe!

  12. Wagonwheel says:
    July 31, 2012 at 13:16

    “From your viewpoint it is apparently that they have inherited a tendency or susceptibility for a behavioral defect or anomaly “through no fault of their own“.

    No doubt given the criminal behavior of your ancestors, you rather identify with that.”

    To have been born a homosexual needs no defense, only understanding, though never from the likes of lily white DNW, who supposes that his ancestors were squeaky clean, as he was probably told, as he also presumes himself to be as well, as viewed from his land of make believe!”

    “To have been born a homosexual needs no defense, only understanding …”

    Or how about preventative measures? Any absolute rule why that ought not to be considered? How about therapeutic abortions if strictly voluntary on the part of the mother bearing the “parasite” (your word) fetus, and if a genetic test can be perfected?

    It’s all up to the mother, right?

    You keep obsessively repeating that “through no fault of their own” theme. Obviously it provides you with a great deal of psychological comfort, as well as a way of normalizing deviance or even moral degeneracy and dysfunction by placing much bad behavior on a moral liability par. Or, at least all the behavior you wish to place on a par.

    For example it’s no fault of your own that your grandfather was a crook; that your father lacked stamina and determination, that you no longer live in the ghetto from which you were taken from 60 years ago, never to return. No it’s Romney’s fault that his ancestors provided him with a background that makes him incapable of identifying with people with moral sensibilities like yours.

    And of course even if you are a rank hypocrite as an adult, refusing to risk your own safety while seeking shelter among the lily white suburbanites you routinely condemn for the same life style and environment, why, “it’s through no fault of your own”.

    You were born that way through no fault of your own. It’s a matter of your genetics, no doubt. And who has the right to blame you, or judge you, or exclude you from their voluntary associations, or even protect themselves, from the fall-out of your neurotically contorted and self-seeking politicization of the matter of moral blame?

    After all, there are no absolutes, and it through no fault of your own.

  13. I had a late lunch at Chick-fil-A today. The place was packed, the parking lot was full, and people were waiting in line. Lots more couldn’t find a place to park and drove off. Similar reports are coming in from all across the USA. It’s a tidal wave of grand proportions. The establishment media will have to ignore it if they can, otherwise it puts the lie to their HomoNazi narrative.

    I took the time to look over the local crowd, it was a balanced mix of young working adults and older retirees, mostly white, but sprinkled with minorities, few blacks but many Hispanics.

    Women outnumbered men and the prevalence of college age women caught me by surprise. They were even more numerous than the ubiquitous Florida retired couples. Chick-fil-A sells chicken sandwiches but if Obama’s goose was on the menu, it would have been cooked and sold-out long before lunchtime.

  14. Yesterday our Wednesday lunch crowd met at the Club at noon. We usually have five or six guys, yesterday we had eleven because we let it be known on Monday we intended to go to Chick-Fil-A. We piled into the cars, five guys in my SUV and six in Toms Town & Country and headed for the local CFA. When we got there it was a mob scene. The entire front into the parking lot was jammed. We did manage to park and when we walked toward the crowd some folks yelled out “Welcome” , others made the V sign and shouted “Eat Chikin’”. Two business types were wearing those goofy Cow hats. A young lady came into the crowd and informed us that they were running at about an hour for service. It was hot and very muggy so we decided to go elsewhere.

    We went down to Steam, a restaurant on Huntingdon Pike below Street Road in Southampton. Good move since we can get beer at Steam. The eleven of us sat along the bar and ordered. The two liberals who hang with us were at the end to my right. One of them, Harry, commented how frendly eveyone at CFA was. My buddy Roy leaned forward and said “That’s because they’re not angry victims, they’re conservatives”. I asked Harry if he thought there was going to be Black Panthers with clubs there or something. He expected a lot of shouting and signs and stuff like that. I told him “No, that’s more the lefts style, not ours”. Then the little bar tender, Malissa, said “Me and my friends are going there for dinner” with a big smile. Usually I would have said “My friends and I” but she was so cute I let it pass.

    Post script: We usually just take the check, add a 20% tip and divide by the number of guys. Yesterday when the check came the two libs “calculated” what they owed. It was like watching two old ladies at an Early Bird Special. They were actually scared they would leave $1.20 in “extra” tip that “they didn’t owe”. I asked Malissa on the Q.T. to cut them their own tab and give me the tab for the rest of us. Then I gave her my card and bought lunch for the nine of us. Leonard said “hey, what just happened?” Cory said “Hoagie can’t stand cheapskates”. Then Leonard said “What was your tab?” I said $180.00. So he snarled ” so you left her $36.00 for a tip?” I said ” No, I rounded it up to an even $250.00. Why should the working woman suffer because of cheap pricks?”. You should have seen his face, priceless. Even at a simple lunch the differences between the philosophies are glaring.

  15. Post-Post Script. When we got back to the Club we sat around the bar for another beer (or two or three, hell, who am I kidding? I left at 7pm). We discovered Leonard “Don’t Call Me Lenny” is on state and federal disability. Seems he suffered a dabilitating injury at work. HE FELL OFF HIS OFFICE CHAIR AT THE INSURANCE AGENCY HE WORKED FOR! We only found this out because as an excuse for being so cheap he insisted he was on a “fixed income”. After “Don’t Call Me Lenny” left, Harry informed us he won a $750,000 settlement from the chair manufacturer, and still has a suit pending against his former employer!

    I asked Harry (a tolerable liberal) not to include LENNY with us any more, our liability exposure is just too high.

  16. Changing just one word of a Wagonwheel quote:

    To have been born a homosexual pedophile needs no defense, only understanding, though never from the likes of lily white DNW, who supposes that his ancestors were squeaky clean, as he was probably told, as he also presumes himself to be as well, as viewed from his land of make believe!

    So, if someone was born a pedophile — after all, who would actually choose such an orientation? — does he need only our understanding?

  17. Hoagie wrote:

    No, I rounded it up to an even $250.00. Why should the working woman suffer because of cheap pricks?”. You should have seen his face, priceless. Even at a simple lunch the differences between the philosophies are glaring.

    My habit is roughly 20%, because that way, if I make a math error, I have not stiffed anyone. But I also give odd amounts: a bill for 48.52 will have a tip of $10.48, just to put an even amount on the card.

  18. ” But I also give odd amounts: a bill for 48.52 will have a tip of $10.48, just to put an even amount on the card.”

    So, you’re one of those obsessive/compulsives, Eh? Screw the change. If you buy two T-shirts at the store for $19.95 each do you tell the clerk to round it up to $40.00 to keep an even amount on your card? Just kidding, Mr. Editor. I think the actual bill was $182+some change. I was just using round numbers for illustration. But I did leave a flat $250.00 so I guess I too rounded out the change to an even amount on my card. But that wasn’t my goal rather it was to bust balls and I succeeded.

  19. Editor says:
    August 2, 2012 at 11:30

    Changing just one word of a Wagonwheel quote:

    To have been born a homosexual pedophile needs no defense, only understanding, though never from the likes of lily white DNW, who supposes that his ancestors were squeaky clean, as he was probably told, as he also presumes himself to be as well, as viewed from his land of make believe!

    So, if someone was born a pedophile — after all, who would actually choose such an orientation, does he need only our understanding?”

    What is it that according to Perry requires understanding anyway, other than merely taking note that such things do happen or have happened …

    According to Perry (and by the way, why does a guy named “Perry” think that the name “Williard” suffers by comparison? LOL) it’s all just a matter of acculturation anyway. There are, according to Perry, no “absolutes” in legal or moral premises; nor, in any other domain. Which, as other have pointed out before, constitutes something of an absolute principle in itself.

    Nonetheless, and ignoring Perry’s flirtation with self-contradiction, according to Perry, the term “absolute” apparently means something less like “a categorical proposition” or “a deduction the contrary of which is nonsensical”, than something more like a nebulous physical or metaphysical something or other which cannot be, or be conceived of, as – even if absurdly or incoherently – otherwise.

    Thus, the law of non-contradiction fails as an absolute on Perry’s view, not because he is able to describe an unequivocal proposition that is simultaneously both true and false at the same time, but because he has a physical power of vocalization sufficient to emit sounds which deny it.

    The Constitutional prohibition on the Congress’s establishment of a state religion is according to Perry not an absolute prohibition: not because he can successfully describe conditions wherein Congress would be Constitutionally justified in establishing a state church, but rather because he views a supposed lack of Congressional zeal in legislatively rooting out and defacing all references to Christianity from publicly owned property, as the de facto establishment of religion, and thus a violation of, and thus an exception to the meaning of, the Constitution’s categorical prohibition against the establishment of a state church. The fact that the evidence which he has supplied in support of his vaporous contention actually rebutted it, does not trouble him in the least.

    And even though it inevitably violates what should be morally inviolable (as well as doing horrible and other morally unacceptable damage to the person), child rape, is on Perry’s view not an absolute and categorical evil (even though he personally disdains it) because some hominids somewhere have committed such practices. This, he styles as being validated by “culture” as an exception to, and in defiance of, any notion of an absolute principle based on a sound interpretation of human nature.

    Is “culture” then, the absolute arbiter of what is, or what we sometimes call right and wrong? Apparently not, since Perry believes it is the role of government, or those occupying government offices, to “civilize” the populace to embrace a different set of values and “cultural practices” which they ex hypothesi do not share.

    In fact Perry is now quite actively exercised over the idea that some members of our own culture are presently unwilling to affirm and to commit to an intimately shared moral future with others inhabiting the same polity. Particularly as regards a smallish set of annoying others who seek to stamp their absurd micturation fetishes and their desires to be sodomized, with the imprimatur of the state, and the coerced approbation and underwriting of all other citizens.

    What then and in fact, do any of Perry’s pronouncements on moral principles, publicly amount to?

    Why, nothing … absolutely nothing.

  20. “I asked Harry (a tolerable liberal) not to include LENNY with us any more, our liability exposure is just too high.”

    Good for you. What did Harry say, and do you thing that Harry is capable (in the face of his general mindset) of grasping the reason?

  21. “Or how about preventative measures? Any absolute rule why that ought not to be considered? How about therapeutic abortions if strictly voluntary on the part of the mother bearing the “parasite” (your word) fetus, and if a genetic test can be perfected?”

    “Parasite”: I’ll gladly credit you with that word, DNW, because it is not mine. I consistently use the word fetus, where applicable, zygote, where applicable, blastocyst, where applicable, embryo, where applicable, and baby, where applicable, as any educated person would do, except for those who put politics over women’s rights in an attempt to exert control over said women These control freaks then call all stages of gestation the baby. I always thought Conservatives wanted less government, but oh no, not when they deem themselves to be control freaks. And then many of these same Conservatives are neocon war hawks, thinking nothing of the collateral damage they cause due to their wars of choice against sovereign nations.

    So yes, DNW, you fail this morality test completely, as your values are that screwed up.

    “You keep obsessively repeating that “through no fault of their own” theme. Obviously it provides you with a great deal of psychological comfort, as well as a way of normalizing deviance or even moral degeneracy and dysfunction by placing much bad behavior on a moral liability par. Or, at least all the behavior you wish to place on a par.

    For example it’s no fault of your own that your grandfather was a crook; that your father lacked stamina and determination, that you no longer live in the ghetto from which you were taken from 60 years ago, never to return. No it’s Romney’s fault that his ancestors provided him with a background that makes him incapable of identifying with people with moral sensibilities like yours.

    And of course even if you are a rank hypocrite as an adult, refusing to risk your own safety while seeking shelter among the lily white suburbanites you routinely condemn for the same life style and environment, why, “it’s through no fault of your own”.

    You were born that way through no fault of your own. It’s a matter of your genetics, no doubt. And who has the right to blame you, or judge you, or exclude you from their voluntary associations, or even protect themselves, from the fall-out of your neurotically contorted and self-seeking politicization of the matter of moral blame?

    After all, there are no absolutes, and it through no fault of your own.”

    This ridicule, from one who lashes out like this in judgment, while secreting himself within his gated abode, metaphorically speaking, making stuff up and spinning himself dizzy, beyond credibility.

  22. “What is it that according to Perry requires understanding anyway, other than merely taking note that such things do happen or have happened …

    According to Perry (and by the way, why does a guy named “Perry” think that the name “Williard” suffers by comparison? LOL) it’s all just a matter of acculturation anyway. There are, according to Perry, no “absolutes” in legal or moral premises; nor, in any other domain. Which, as other have pointed out before, constitutes something of an absolute principle in itself.

    Nonetheless, and ignoring Perry’s flirtation with self-contradiction, according to Perry, the term “absolute” apparently means something less like “a categorical proposition” or “a deduction the contrary of which is nonsensical”, than something more like a nebulous physical or metaphysical something or other which cannot be, or be conceived of, as – even if absurdly or incoherently – otherwise.

    Thus, the law of non-contradiction fails as an absolute on Perry’s view, not because he is able to describe an unequivocal proposition that is simultaneously both true and false at the same time, but because he has a physical power of vocalization sufficient to emit sounds which deny it.

    The Constitutional prohibition on the Congress’s establishment of a state religion is according to Perry not an absolute prohibition: not because he can successfully describe conditions wherein Congress would be Constitutionally justified in establishing a state church, but rather because he views a supposed lack of Congressional zeal in legislatively rooting out and defacing all references to Christianity from publicly owned property, as the de facto establishment of religion, and thus a violation of, and thus an exception to the meaning of, the Constitution’s categorical prohibition against the establishment of a state church. The fact that the evidence which he has supplied in support of his vaporous contention actually rebutted it, does not trouble him in the least.

    And even though it inevitably violates what should be morally inviolable (as well as doing horrible and other morally unacceptable damage to the person), child rape, is on Perry’s view not an absolute and categorical evil (even though he personally disdains it) because some hominids somewhere have committed such practices. This, he styles as being validated by “culture” as an exception to, and in defiance of, any notion of an absolute principle based on a sound interpretation of human nature.

    Is “culture” then, the absolute arbiter of what is, or what we sometimes call right and wrong? Apparently not, since Perry believes it is the role of government, or those occupying government offices, to “civilize” the populace to embrace a different set of values and “cultural practices” which they ex hypothesi do not share.

    In fact Perry is now quite actively exercised over the idea that some members of our own culture are presently unwilling to affirm and to commit to an intimately shared moral future with others inhabiting the same polity. Particularly as regards a smallish set of annoying others who seek to stamp their absurd micturation fetishes and their desires to be sodomized, with the imprimatur of the state, and the coerced approbation and underwriting of all other citizens.

    What then and in fact, do any of Perry’s pronouncements on moral principles, publicly amount to?

    Why, nothing … absolutely nothing.”

    If any of this were true, and none of it is, we would not need courts and judges. I have said this before, and DNW has yet to counter this point.

    Moreover, I observe that those who insist on the existence of pure absolutes are those who assign themselves the task of using them in order to control others according to their own beliefs.

    PS: I find it noteworthy that neither DNW nor any of the other absolutists on here have yet commented on Justice Scalia’s op/ed, in which he stated clearly that the Second Amendment has limits. Why no response, folks?

  23. Dedicated to WagonloadWheel who claims Dems are pure as the driven snow. Make sure to click on the link and “read” (without upchucking) the comments left by %*^&#*(%*&^%()% Liberals.

    Liberals Call for Killing of 6 year old Conservative!
    Thursday, August 2, 2012

    By Jay Taylor, Vice President of Political Strategy – Liberty Alliance, LLC

    Patriot Update recently posted a video on YouTube entitled, “6-Year-Old Gives 10 Reasons NOT to Vote for Obama!”, which has caused liberals to go on the warpath. With over 350,000 views and climbing, the venomous and hate-filled comments from the left are intolerable. Liberal around the country are accusing the parents of “brainwashing” and “exploiting” their child. (Somehow a bunch of elementary school children singing praises to Obama doesn’t count as “brainwashing or exploitation.”) Ironically, the left couldn’t care less if you abort your child. Teaching them conservative values, however, is tantamount to child abuse!

    This should serve as wake up call to all conservatives. Patriot Update is calling conservatives to stand together and defend our beliefs against this liberal onslaught. Currently, there are more negative comments from liberals than there are positive comments from conservatives. We’re asking you give the video a “thumbs up” and express your opinion in the comments section of the various web sites that are discussing the video. We must unite and support our conservative values and freedom of speech.

    Here are some examples of the hate:
    Check these at the Link:

    http://patriotupdate.com/27180/left-spews-hateful-comments-at-6-year-old-conservative

  24. “If any of this were true, and none of it is, we would not need courts and judges. “

    If you knew anything of the history of law, you would not make such a silly claim.

  25. Perry, next time you feel you must complain, combitch, spew your hatred of the Republicans as being the font of all evil, read this about 10 times and see what your fellow travelers think of this SIX YEAR OLD. IT’S VILE AT THE LEAST. Remember this kid is SIX. You may have grandchildren that are around SIX and tell us how you would feel if this VILE HATRED was directed at them by your fellow travelers.

    http://patriotupdate.com/27180/left-spews-hateful-comments-at-6-year-old-conservative

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