Does This Mean Barry Built An Airport For The Wright Bros. To Fly The First Plane?

I think Barry broke his arm patting himself on the back.

PICKET: Obama – ‘If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen’
By Kerry Picket – The Washington Times July 15, 2012, 03:22AM

President Barack Obama addressed supporters in Roanoke, Virginia on Saturday afternoon and took a shot at the business community. President Obama dismissed any credit business owners give themselves for their success:

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires. (This is so idiotic, it doesn’t make any sense at all.)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jul/15/picketvideo-obama-if-you’ve-got-business-you-didn’t-/

177 Comments

  1. Wagonwheel, you’ll need to clarify why it’s outrageous behavior for anyone, let alone Rush to point out Obama was smoking pot and not working hard enough in college, or Obama’s association with communists, or on his smoking weed, doing coke, while Mitt Romney was building this country, or on not deserving his admission (Affirmative Action) to Columbia U and Harvard Law, while he was influenced by leftists who had a contempt for America as typical with ivy league schools?

    IOW, a coke-crazed communist idiot is the guy you love to death? A clown with no backround to get into the Ivy League, yet got there….how?

    And you can call Rush all the names you want but he didn’t do coke did he? Or is it your usual “hate the rich guy” screed (as long as he ain’t a liberal rich guy ).

    Obama’s a fail, a dolt, an un-American communist associate ( by your, and his, own admission ). So Obama is a coke smoking communist! But this is the kind of dog you want to lead America? Don’t sound too good to me.

  2. “OK, Hoagie, so you didn’t dwell on them. But you did right here, indicating your terrible attitude toward those who have a job to do and are likely doing the best they can. You are the one with an attitude, not surprising, since you pat yourself on the back at every opportunity, flouting the trappings of your successes as well, which is why I refer to you accurately as a braggadocio.”

    What??? What terrible attitude??? What the hell are you talking about? I was talking about the investment of a company in the restaurant business that put out 10 million of their own bucks to build a new joint! How’s that patting myself on the back or “braggadocio”???

    You do realize Wagonwheel, that’s the business I was in for 37 years so I just may have a bit more experience than you at it. Or is that braggadocio too?

    Then, as if you foolishness so far wasn’t enough, you continue: “And typical of your dishonesty, you tried to pull this one on us:”

    Dishonesty? Really? Again, I’m a liar? Yet the quote was precisly what the ass hole said!!! And it’s even worse in context or are you so blind you can’t see that? The context means no one can do anything except by the largess of government. That’s Obama’s communist backround. We gotta get rid of this fool come November.

  3. BTW Wagonwheel, here’s just a few headlines from Drudge about your coke addled communist’s economic abilities:

    Jobless claims surge…
    REPORT: Foreclosure crisis hits older blacks, Hispanics hardest…
    Factory activity contracts…
    Home sales drop 5.4%, fewest since October…
    Grocery bills on rise as corn prices near record highs…

    Now go read how “great” this failure of a president is.

  4. “IOW, a coke-crazed communist idiot is the guy you love to death? A clown with no backround to get into the Ivy League, yet got there….how?”

    Your characterization of our President comes from a radical, that’s you, Hoagie, so it hardly comports to the truth, a concept which has left you in a deep hole, unfortunately.

    “And you can call Rush all the names you want but he didn’t do coke did he? Or is it your usual “hate the rich guy” screed (as long as he ain’t a liberal rich guy ).”

    I don’t know, do you? I do know that he was convicted of a crime driven by his addiction. Other than being addicted to tobacco, which apparently he has kicked (Have you, Hoagie?), President Obama is doing just fine.

    And your usual “hate the rich” accusation, well that’s not the least bit true, although I am not happy by the way some of them behave, for example the London Whale of JP Morgan Chase and the Diamond (Barclay) manipulation of the Libor interest rates, as part of a too long list.

    “Obama’s a fail, a dolt, an un-American communist associate ( by your, and his, own admission ). So Obama is a coke smoking communist! But this is the kind of dog you want to lead America? Don’t sound too good to me.”

    As usual, your characterization of our duly elected (free from voter suppression) President, is way over the top, as I’ve come to expect from you, Hoagie, and untruthful as well. Have you no honor left? President Obama has admitted openly of his struggles as a youth, in contrast to Mitt Romney, who is to this day secretive about his Bain Capitol involvements and his tax returns, and who is running away from the aspects of his record as Governor of the great state of MA. Yet this is all OK with you wingers, right Hoagie?

    Why is it that I am not surprised at Romney’s being defensive about his off-shore accounts. Kind of reminds me of your hyperbolic defense of same, Hoagie, in addition to your threats. Have you no honor left, Hoagie?

  5. As usual, your characterization of our duly elected (free from voter suppression) President

    LMAO! In other words, “freely exercised voter fraud” courtesy of groups like ACORN.

  6. “BTW Wagonwheel, here’s just a few headlines from Drudge about your coke addled communist’s economic abilities:

    Jobless claims surge…
    REPORT: Foreclosure crisis hits older blacks, Hispanics hardest…
    Factory activity contracts…
    Home sales drop 5.4%, fewest since October…
    Grocery bills on rise as corn prices near record highs…

    Now go read how “great” this failure of a president is.”

    Yes, Hoagie, I’m saddened to see this latest news, thinking about the people who are suffering, in contrast to you, looking only to blame our President for everything while washing your hands of all that Cheney/Bush and your Party did to precipitate this mess. Not one thought from you and your ilk about those who suffer, not one. Where is your compassion, Hoagie?

    It is illustrative of your incoherence that now you appear to blame our President for the drought. What ever happened to your critical thinking skills, Hoagie, or have you become so yellowed by your rabid partisan politics. You exhibit personal hatred for our President, not a rational response to our serious problems. Why are you not critical of Romney for not presenting his plans for fixing our economy? What are Romney’s plans, Hoagie? You tell me!

  7. Yes, yes — notice how PAP asked for a citation AGAIN for something which has been cited many times before … and just like before, he’s run away from any acknowledgement.

  8. ” But since you somehow cannot use Google for some reason, I just spent the last four seconds finding this. Just to cite one example.”

    It is incumbent upon the poster to provide the evidence to back up ones claims, unless one is lazy like Eric.

    Nevertheless, thanks for your citation, koolo.

    Since most Americans already have photo ID’s, it is not surprising that 69% would support the idea. It is those without photo ID’s, and who might have difficulty obtaining same, who might be deprived from voting. Why is not a college ID acceptable, or a SS card, or an envelope with name and address and a cancelled stamp, as in our state is sufficient proof to obtain a driver licence.

    Not only should it not be the American Way to deprive a citizen to exercise one’s right to vote, not only is there almost no evidence that voter fraud exists, but I believe that there is something profane about stopping people from exercising their right to vote in our United States of America!

    Therefore these voter suppression efforts taking place in mostly red states is just plain wrong, in my view.

  9. Why is it that I am not surprised at Romney’s being defensive about his off-shore accounts. Kind of reminds me of your hyperbolic defense of same, Hoagie, in addition to your threats. Have you no honor left, Hoagie?

    You mean while you were busily accusing Hoagie of a felony and demanding he provide you all manner of personal information so you could hatefully and vilely attack him personally, as you do to everyone here? You disgust me, Perry, to no end.

    But I do have some quotes for you, Perry.

    Oreos, Uncle Toms, race traitors, Benedict Arnolds, Judas, ventriloquists’ dummies, assassins, wandering negroes looking to kill blacks, frustrated slaves, minstrels, counterfeit heroes, punk-asses, David Dukes…

  10. “Yes, Hoagie, I’m saddened to see this latest news, thinking about the people who are suffering, in contrast to you, looking only to blame our President for everything while washing your hands of all that Cheney/Bush and your Party did to precipitate this mess. Not one thought from you and your ilk about those who suffer, not one. Where is your compassion, Hoagie?”

    You’re “saddened” by the latest news? You’re “thinking about the people suffering”? Mighty white of you Wagonwheel, I’m sure they all feel a lot better knowing you care. Cause you know the real reason things suck is not because of our coke usin’ commie president, it’s still Cheney/Bush’s fault, dontchaknow? And since my party precipitated this mess ( couldn’t have been Frank, Dodd, Fannie, or the fed) I “and my ilk” don’t care? Is that it? It’s not who helps it’s who cares? that counts. And don’t presume to know what I or my ilk think about those “who suffer”. Unlike you whining little leftists I and my ilk try and provide jobs, a future and some real hope for those who want to get off their asses and do it.

    Your ilk believes in compassion, mine believe in action!

    Then you come up with: “It is illustrative of your incoherence that now you appear to blame our President for the drought.”

    Where have I blamed anyone for the drought? I never even mentioned the word. I think you’re the one who’s incoherent.

    ” Kind of reminds me of your hyperbolic defense of same, Hoagie, in addition to your threats. Have you no honor left, Hoagie?”

    Please inform me of exactly what “threats” I’m accused. I want to know. Tell the world how I threatened you or anyone else.

    You haven’t earned the right to speak to me of honor!

  11. “LMAO! In other words, “freely exercised voter fraud” courtesy of groups like ACORN.”

    Voter fraud is a felony, therefore how is it that the alleged ACORN voter fraud did not result in any convictions?

    The fact of the matter is that several sting operations by Republican zealots did reveal several incidental problems, followed by a lot of yelling and screaming by wingers which finally brought this legitimate and legal voter registration effort to a halt.

    Since there were no convictions to my knowledge, I have concluded that this is a continuing voter suppression effort by a Party which has a well established modern record for such activities.

  12. Voter fraud is a felony, therefore how is it that the alleged ACORN voter fraud did not result in any convictions?

    You mean other than the convictions that came down on ACORN? There weren’t any convictions other than the convictions that there were? And how is registering 105 percent of all adults in Indianapolis legitimate or legal? And how is Nevada ACORN, which got busted, in a court of, you know, LAW, legal and legitimate?

    Millions of fraudulent voter registrations coming through ACORN alone, plus a great many more where people registered Republican and ACORN handlers just threw those away.

  13. It is incumbent upon the poster to provide the evidence to back up ones claims

    They were provided. Numerous times. It is also incumbent upon the reader to recall things that have been discussed many, many times previously.

    Voter fraud is a felony, therefore how is it that the alleged ACORN voter fraud did not result in any convictions?

    I don’t know — how is that minorities somehow cannot acquire a photo ID to vote … when it is needed for so many other basic transactions in everyday life?

    I have concluded that this is a continuing voter suppression effort by a Party which has a well established modern record for such activities.

    Except, of course, that you have ZERO evidence to support this radical moonbat contention other than your lunatic conspiracy theories that rank right up there with Trutherism and Birtherism.

  14. Obama has spent 9 digits attacking Romney, and Obama’s polling — even in the stupidly Leftist-weighted polls — is dropping. Romney can’t even spend most of his campaign dollars yet because this is still the Primary season and he’s only the presumptive nominee. Once he becomes the nominee, he’ll legally be allowed to ramp up his campaign.

    Obama’s in danger of losing Pennsylvania, Ohio, Meatchicken, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia. He’s lost Indiana, North Carolina. And Obama’s pumping major TV ad dollars into Texas to trash Romney. In one hour-long TV program, I saw the same Obama ad 5 times. In central Texas. All the while the Washington Post’s fact-checkers have been busily giving the Obama campaign three and four pinnochios for their dishonest and misleading attack ads. Not even the Leftist WaPo can shill for such outright lies coming out of the Obama campaign.

  15. “Please inform me of exactly what “threats” I’m accused. I want to know. Tell the world how I threatened you or anyone else.”

    You threatened a law suit against me, Hoagie, and you don’t even remember. Is it due to our hyperbolic hysteria at the time?

    You haven’t earned the right to speak to me of honor!

    I am talking about your hateful rhetoric against our duly elected President and those who support him.

    If you consider that honorable, then you and I must not be using the same dictionary, Hoagie.

    “Unlike you whining little leftists I and my ilk try and provide jobs, a future and some real hope for those who want to get off their asses and do it.

    Your ilk believes in compassion, mine believe in action!”

    What jobs have you provided lately, Hoagie. Oh never mind, you would have if it weren’t for those damn regulations. Isn’t that right, Hoagie.

    It takes employers and employees to make an enterprise work with success, a fact of capitalism which seems to have escaped our consciousness in recent decades, with the former thriving while the latter stagnate as full time jobs with decent salaries and benefits wane, while part time jobs with lower salaries and no benefits thrive. Something is not equal in this so-called equation.

  16. The personification of irony:

    You threatened a law suit against me, Hoagie, and you don’t even remember.

    Gotta love it — PAP reprimanding someone for threats and not remembering something! You just can’t make this comedy gold up!

  17. You threatened a law suit against me, Hoagie, and you don’t even remember.

    Defamation is an offense which can get you sued, Perry. It can cost you everything you own. So when you very clearly defamed Hoagie by accusing him of Federal Felonies, it would only have been right for Hoagie to sue you for all you had.

  18. “You mean other than the convictions that came down on ACORN? There weren’t any convictions other than the convictions that there were? And how is registering 105 percent of all adults in Indianapolis legitimate or legal? And how is Nevada ACORN, which got busted, in a court of, you know, LAW, legal and legitimate?

    Millions of fraudulent voter registrations coming through ACORN alone, plus a great many more where people registered Republican and ACORN handlers just threw those away.”

    John, you need to supply citations for every single one of these claims, otherwise they are worthless, not worth one more word of debate or discussion! You wingers on here pull this stuff all the time!

  19. In fact, it was very charitable of him not to sue you, Perry. Very charitable indeed, considering the multiple-thousands of dollars you could easily have cost him defending himself against your malicious and defamatory accusations.

  20. John, you need to supply citations for every single one of these claims, otherwise they are worthless, not worth one more word of debate or discussion! You wingers on here pull this stuff all the time!

    Here we go again. Links for this topic were provided many times, as well, PAP. Your selective remembering is way past the point of ridiculousness.

  21. “Defamation is an offense which can get you sued, Perry. It can cost you everything you own. So when you very clearly defamed Hoagie by accusing him of Federal Felonies, it would only have been right for Hoagie to sue you for all you had.”

    This is simply untrue. Citation please.

    And you are a fine one to speak of defamation, John, because this is your specialty!

  22. “What jobs have you provided lately, Hoagie.”

    Oh, I see. Since I’m retired I no longer count. Just so you know I currently provide a job for a landscaper, a handyman, a maid/housekeeper and a pool guy. How about you? I assume “Mr. Compassion” is employing many people, yes?

    “It takes employers and employees to make an enterprise work with success, a fact of capitalism which seems to have escaped our consciousness in recent decades, with the former thriving while the latter stagnate as full time jobs with decent salaries and benefits wane, while part time jobs with lower salaries and no benefits thrive. Something is not equal in this so-called equation.”

    Yes it does take both employers and employees to make an enterprise work. However, when you tax and regulate the employers to a standstill, where does that place the employees? You know, you stated it: with “part time jobs with lower salaries and no benefits thrive”. Do you think there could be a cause and effect relationship between government taxation and regulation and jobs, Wagonwheel? Or do you think no matter how hard the government hits the employer, the employees will go on unscathed?

    And I didn’t threaten you with a lawsuit. And I never get hysterical (except for a good joke).

    Now I’m going out for lunch.

  23. WW:
    Yorkshire, you consider not listening to this Rush Limbaugh, because he stirs up unsavory emotions in too many folks by his lunatic behavior. This man is unhealthy for the psyche, in my view.

    Have you ever considered not reading the Communist Workers Daily which is probably the same as the Democrats Daily Talking Points.

    And it’s well reported that Frank Marshall Davis is a Communist along with Van Jones, but you will deny their association with BO. You are really high up on your horse Self-Rightousness today.

  24. “Already provided, multiple times over. As everyone here already knows.”

    Hardly. And based on your reputation for making stuff up, you are not credible without citations.

  25. Typically, Eric, you say a lot more about yourself than about anyone else, with your obsessive anger and hatred toward those who disagree with you.

    The problem is that you tell lies (about Romney) and are an extreme left winger.

  26. Hardly. And based on your reputation for making stuff up, you are not credible without citations.

    No, here you’re speaking of your loathesome self, PAP.

  27. “Oh, I see. Since I’m retired I no longer count. Just so you know I currently provide a job for a landscaper, a handyman, a maid/housekeeper and a pool guy. How about you? I assume “Mr. Compassion” is employing many people, yes?”

    Actually, now that you mentioned it, I do indeed. However, I am the chief housekeeper, and I don’t have a pool, but I do have the ocean, and its free!

  28. Let’s look for a moment at some of Rush’s outrageous behavior:

    * Instructed Repubs to “use every racist stereotype they could think of against Obama,

    * attack Obama on smoking pot and not working hard enough in college,

    * attack Obama on his association with Communists,

    * attack Obama on smoking weed, doing coke, while Mitt Romney was building this country,

    * attack Obama on not deserving his admission (Affirmative Action) to Columbia U and Harvard Law,

    * where he was influenced by leftists who had a contempt for America as typical with ivy league schools,

    Most of these things just happen to be true. These are the kind of facts we won’t get from your favorite left wing news sources like NBC.

  29. “Have you ever considered not reading the Communist Workers Daily which is probably the same as the Democrats Daily Talking Points.

    And it’s well reported that Frank Marshall Davis is a Communist along with Van Jones, but you will deny their association with BO. You are really high up on your horse Self-Rightousness today.”

    I give my views, Yorkshire, and that’s it. For doing so, I get personally vilified on here continuously. But that’s OK, given that someone on here should challenge these really radical right-wing views.

  30. “Most of these things just happen to be true. These are the kind of facts we won’t get from your favorite left wing news sources like NBC.”

    Should I be surprised that Eric is an adherent to the behavior and excesses of one Rush Limbaugh? No!

  31. WW stated:

    Why is not a college ID acceptable, or a SS card, or an envelope with name and address and a cancelled stamp, as in our state is sufficient proof to obtain a driver licence.

    Actually I live in Delaware and you need a Birth Certificate along with other forms of ID to get a driver’s license. The types of ID you list do not prove citizenship and some of them don’t prove state residency either. There is a new federal ID now issued in Delaware that requires even more forms of ID. If you don’t have them you get a regular driver’s license – not the new Federal ID.

    I don’t see how anyone could make such a big deal out of getting an ID to vote. If you can register to vote and get to a polling place to cast a vote what’s the excuse of not being able to get to the DMV for an ID? The only people who will have a legitimate problem getting an ID to vote are those who aren’t authorized to vote. And that’s the point! I’ve been asked for my ID every single time I’ve ever voted along with everyone else standing with me in line.

  32. Wagonwheel says:
    July 19, 2012 at 12:11

    “Have you ever considered not reading the Communist Workers Daily which is probably the same as the Democrats Daily Talking Points.

    And it’s well reported that Frank Marshall Davis is a Communist along with Van Jones, but you will deny their association with BO. You are really high up on your horse Self-Rightousness today.”

    I give my views, Yorkshire, and that’s it. For doing so, I get personally vilified on here continuously. But that’s OK, given that someone on here should challenge these really radical right-wing views.

    So, you’re saying you just make it up you go along, but we have to prove our views. Please, never ask for any more citations if we have to believe your made up stuff as fact. I think we can see common ground here.

  33. OK, Perry, let’s look into Obama’s past, shall we? Did he not rely on Affirmative Action to get into his colleges, colleges which, based on his own admissions of drug use, he couldn’t have gotten into otherwise? Where are his college records? Did he not associate with radicals and Marxists all his life? What did he do as a “Community organizer”, and how much was he influenced by Saul Alinsky? Was he friends with Bill Ayers, a terrorist, and Bernardine Dorhn, who cheered on Charles Manson? What about his twenty years in the same church with Jeremiah Wright? You see, Perry, two can play at this game. You want to look into Romney’s past, we’ll do the same for your guy. You want to LIE about Romney (felon), we’ll tell the truth about Obama.

  34. Should I be surprised that Eric is an adherent to the behavior and excesses of one Rush Limbaugh? No!

    Interesting you don’t deny that everything Rush said was true.

  35. This is simply untrue. Citation please.

    It’s what got you banned from this site. You’d think you could remember that.

    Have you ever wondered why you’re the only person who’s been banned? What does that say about your own behavior and character?

  36. For doing so, I get personally vilified on here continuously.

    Oh boo hoo. If you don’t like it, leave! You won’t be missed.

  37. At 11:17 WW said:
    Wagonwheel says:
    July 19, 2012 at 11:17

    It is incumbent upon the poster to provide the evidence to back up ones claims,

    Then less than an hour later the same WW says:
    Wagonwheel says:
    July 19, 2012 at 12:11

    I give my views, Yorkshire, and that’s it.

  38. Wagonwheel says:
    July 19, 2012 at 12:11


    I give my views, Yorkshire, and that’s it. For doing so, I get personally vilified on here continuously. But that’s OK, given that someone on here should challenge these really radical right-wing views.

    No one would care in the least, if your spouting of moronically relativistic platitudes and your engaging in subjectivist reportage of matters of interest primarily to yourself, were were in fact all that you were doing.

    But in fact you instead busy yourself here staking out public sounding moral claims, and issuing moral evaluations and indictments of others couched in objective sounding prescriptive language.

    No one gives a damn what you do subjectively or to yourself. You can convince yourself that it’s your duty to immolate yourself on some Delaware beach pyre as part of Gaia Cult clambake and worship service, and no one would give a hoot.

    It’s when you start politically reaching into our pockets, and damaging our families’ life prospects with your totalitarian ideology and subversive political gambits, and demand our self-sacrificial solidarity on your terms, that you become more than the kind of comic figure which can be safely left to flounder and sink in a stew which he and his fellow moral incompetents have cooked up.

    When you demand that others join you in the pot “or else”, and you scheme to use the laws of the republic in order to coerce them in unprecedented ways into doing so, you project your personal dysfunction and ultimate philosophical nihilism onto a stage where it becomes a matter of extreme concern for those others.

    Your incessantly grasping and molesting fingers cannot be ignored, because you, in your moral insanity, and anxiety for unhindered access to the life energies of other people, refuse to relent.

    You deliberately structure the equation so that either you must be submitted to, or your hands be figuratively speaking, broken.

    As much as peaceable folks with better things to do would like to avoid engaging this kind of issue directly, what sensible person would prefer to become your victim instead?

  39. “So, you’re saying you just make it up you go along, but we have to prove our views. Please, never ask for any more citations if we have to believe your made up stuff as fact. I think we can see common ground here.”

    No, Yorkshire, I am saying that I give my take, my opinion, on current events, and often offer cites as reference to important facts. It is striking that there really is only two on here willing to have a debate/discussion, yourself and our Editor.

    The rest on here are interested in personal vilifications and attacks, but that’s OK, it illustrates their personal weaknesses, which is one of my intents.

    I’ve lived through many decades of political differences, none of which comes close to the continuous stream of ugliness and hatred in the last decade or so, as illustrated very well on this blog.

    So unless our Editor bars me from his blog, which I doubt he will, I am here to stay at least throughout this campaign season, to push back at all the political extremism I see on this blog. You could call it my crusade.

    It is remarkable to me, that with all the vilification I experience here, that none of the wingers on here has the self-discipline to ignore me, as terrible a person as they think I am. That says something about them, not about me.

    So I will continue to call it as I see it, you know, like an umpire!

  40. “It’s when you start politically reaching into our pockets, and damaging our families’ life prospects with your totalitarian ideology and subversive political gambits, and demand our self-sacrificial solidarity on your terms, that you become more than the kind of comic figure which can be safely left to flounder and sink in a stew which he and his fellow moral incompetents have cooked up.

    That is not me in those words, it is you, DNW, and it is total crap!

    When you demand that others join you in the pot “or else”, and you scheme to use the laws of the republic in order to coerce them in unprecedented ways into doing so, you project your personal dysfunction and ultimate philosophical nihilism onto a stage where it becomes a matter of extreme concern for those others.

    More autobiographical stuff from you here, such that you cannot get out of your own way. But I do appreciate the compliment, that you felt compelled to respond, as evidence that my opinions are resonating. So I thank you for that!

    Your incessantly grasping and molesting fingers cannot be ignored, because you, in your moral insanity, and anxiety for unhindered access to the life energies of other people, refuse to relent.

    Not only do I reject your characterization, I find it telling that you would even bother to respond to such as me. It just illustrates what a bloviating phony you are!

    You deliberately structure the equation so that either you must be submitted to, or your hands be figuratively speaking, broken.

    Ah, then it appears that I have taken control of you, as you have just admitted! You remind me of a precocious, know-it-all child in a fit of anger after being justly disciplined.

    As much as peaceable folks with better things to do would like to avoid engaging this kind of issue directly, what sensible person would prefer to become your victim instead?”

    No DNW. You are an elegant spokesman for the political darkness and dysfunction of which you speak. And you, of all people, should know better, but this op/ed suggests to me that you are two self-centered and therefore impenetrable for humane considerations, sealed behind your figuratively locked gates, maybe even literally situated there. You have effectively hidden your soul!

  41. Correction: The following should have been italicized as such: Ah, then it appears that I have taken control of you, as you have just admitted! You remind me of a precocious, know-it-all child in a fit of anger after being justly disciplined.

  42. NosyNeighbor, you are not correct about the requirement for a driver license in DE. Here are the requirements, as listed on the DelDOT webpage:

    “Any person applying for a driver’s license (DL) or identification (ID) card is required to submit one primary document and one secondary document from the following list. A primary document must contain the full name and date of birth and must be verifiable, i.e., we must be able to contact the issuing agency to determine the authenticity of the document. Each applicant must provide their social security number, if eligible, two separate proofs of Delaware residence (i.e. rent receipt or lease and electric, telephone or other utility receipts etc.) and non-US citizens must provide proof of legal presence in the United States. “

    This brings up a good point. How many Delawareans would be disenfranchised for not producing this photo ID? Assuming that most states have requirements similar to these, it is easy to see how requiring an official photo ID can be correctly labelled as voter suppression.

    There is something utterly profane about stopping citizens from exercising their right to vote, especially when there is no significant voter fraud going on.

  43. And back on topic, Yorkshire, I am going to call you out for taking this statement made by the President out of context, to wit:

    “‘If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen’”

    Here is the context:

    “Said Obama: “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.””

    And this dirty trick has been compounded by a Romney ad which just came out taking the same statement out of context.

    And btw, where are Romney’s tax returns. Even Republicans are urging him to reveal them. His father revealed 13 of his. What is Romney trying to hide from the American people, I ask?

  44. “Uh huh. Y’know what’s weak? Threatening people’s livelihoods. Accusing them of a felony. Selective memory and/or no memory at all. That’s weak.”

    You keep alleging this, but it is not true. If you think it is, then furnish the citation, koolo. Up to now, you have not been able to do so. I think what did happen was typical right wing paranoia!

  45. You keep alleging this, but it is not true. If you think it is, then furnish the citation, koolo. Up to now, you have not been able to do so.

    LOL … you really are a piece of work. But guess what? I bookmarked the sucker after your last of myriad denials so I can prove it again and again and again. Time after time after time.

    You’re a liar, PAP. And a disgusting human being, to boot.

  46. Wagonwheel says:
    July 19, 2012 at 17:08

    “It’s when you start politically reaching into our pockets, and damaging our families’ life prospects with your totalitarian ideology and subversive political gambits, and demand our self-sacrificial solidarity on your terms, that you become more than the kind of comic figure which can be safely left to flounder and sink in a stew which he and his fellow moral incompetents have cooked up.

    That is not me in those words, it is you, DNW, and it is total crap!

    When you demand that others join you in the pot “or else”, and you scheme to use the laws of the republic in order to coerce them in unprecedented ways into doing so, you project your personal dysfunction and ultimate philosophical nihilism onto a stage where it becomes a matter of extreme concern for those others.

    More autobiographical stuff from you here, such that you cannot get out of your own way. But I do appreciate the compliment, that you felt compelled to respond, as evidence that my opinions are resonating. So I thank you for that!

    Your incessantly grasping and molesting fingers cannot be ignored, because you, in your moral insanity, and anxiety for unhindered access to the life energies of other people, refuse to relent.

    Not only do I reject your characterization, I find it telling that you would even bother to respond to such as me. It just illustrates what a bloviating phony you are!

    You deliberately structure the equation so that either you must be submitted to, or your hands be figuratively speaking, broken.

    Ah, then it appears that I have taken control of you, as you have just admitted! You remind me of a precocious, know-it-all child in a fit of anger after being justly disciplined.

    As much as peaceable folks with better things to do would like to avoid engaging this kind of issue directly, what sensible person would prefer to become your victim instead?”

    No DNW. You are an elegant spokesman for the political darkness and dysfunction of which you speak. And you, of all people, should know better, but this op/ed suggests to me that you are two self-centered and therefore impenetrable for humane considerations, sealed behind your figuratively locked gates, maybe even literally situated there. You have effectively hidden your soul!”

    Wagonwheel says:
    July 19, 2012 at 17:10

    Correction: The following should have been italicized as such: Ah, then it appears that I have taken control of you, as you have just admitted! You remind me of a precocious, know-it-all child in a fit of anger after being justly disciplined.

    You have admitted, proclaimed in fact, that your moral and political ideologies know of and recognize no inherent limits as to what some persona may demand of or coerce from others using the power of the state, nor of any way of objectively judging the validity of whatever rationales may be rhetorically deployed in favor of these interpersonal takings and appropriations.

    Though you can summon the energy to offer a kind of personal condemnation, you cannot bring yourself to the step of also declaring child rape is an objective wrong.

    You admit that Obama Care is not really about eliminating “free riders” (as if anyone ever did believe them when lefties began mouthing words they thought should resonate with conservatives) but rather about social “sharing”, that is redistributing the life energies and opportunities of one class of people to another class of people by government fiat.

    An atheist who cynically uses Christ as a stalking horse, a materialist that blabbers on about souls, a social justice pimp who cowers in the suburbs, a social redistributionist who has already “gotten his” under a regime of liberty and now wishes to cut off younger people from the same experience of freedom and impose upon them unprecedented legal requirements – all so so that your daughter won’t go bankrupt.

    You are an enemy of freedom, Perry, a completely unapologetic bag of appetites which cannot recognize the boundary between its own wants and the persons of others.

    You wonder why social feelings are so hard nowadays? It’s because you want to make others slaves to your wants and desires, and you cannot see a thing in the world wrong with it.

    You have all the defects of an apologist for slavery in the antebellum South, with none of the mannerliness or learning or superficial charm.

  47. There is something utterly profane about stopping citizens from exercising their right to vote, especially when there is no significant voter fraud going on.

    You’re right — voter fraud is not a significant problem. And getting a photo ID, if you, for some reason remarkably do not already have one, is not a significant hassle to obtain.

    See? It all balances out!

  48. And btw, where are Romney’s tax returns. Even Republicans are urging him to reveal them. His father revealed 13 of his. What is Romney trying to hide from the American people, I ask?

    You speak of “dirty tricks” yet you a dirty trickster yourself. Where are Romney’s tax returns? He’s released two years worth of them already. And his father released 12, not 13, years worth. Oops.

    Again, maybe when Obama releases all his college records — and his state senate records — Romney will release MORE than what he has to.

  49. “You’re a liar, PAP. And a disgusting human being, to boot.”

    At one time I would have preferred to have described him as broken, or incomplete, or traumatized by a damaging childhood which left him blind to the absolute necessity of freedom and of self-governance to any life having human dignity or value.

    However, Perry’s recent “defense” of a moral relativism so radical, so essentially nihilistic (in the strict philosophical sense) that he cannot find the intellectual formula to “objectively” condemn child rape, has left me wondering what the hell this guy really is.

    As a college graduate and industrial chemist, could he really have holes so large in his intellect and moral formation that he could truly be unconscious of, and innocent of, the moral and logical implications of his own philosophy?

    In other words, could his life education be so impoverished, and his leftism so ad hoc, that he can’t be held completely responsible for what he is actually working to bring about?

    I doubted it before. And, now, after the recent extensive but failed exchanges with Perry on his moral nihilism; exchanges which demonstrated the impossibility of getting Perry even to face the blatant logical implications of the progressive’s belief system for the progressive himself, I am convinced of it.

    As I said before, and as I still maintain: at core, Perry and his moral kind, simply cannot “recognize the boundary between its own wants and the persons of others.”

    But it’s not a matter of innocence …

  50. Re., “persona”. I was wondering how I could have struck an accidental “a” after a final “n”.

    But, the word was supposed to be not “person”, but “persons”.

  51. As I said before, and as I still maintain: at core, Perry and his moral kind, simply cannot “recognize the boundary between its own wants and the persons of others.”

    But it’s not a matter of innocence …

    It’s a matter of parasitism or malignancy.

  52. I disagree Koolo, voter fraud is unacceptable, and any level of voter fraud is significant.

    Every single Democrat elected to office is under a cloud of suspicion. If official Democrat Party policy continues to resist efforts to ensure only legitimate voters have access to the ballot box, it’s our duty to question their motives.

    Ronald Reagan’s words should be our guide: Trust but verify.

    No Democrat candidate can be free from the specter of corruption. I’m not claiming they’re all guilty of stuffing ballot boxes, but ballot box stuffers sure as hell resist ID requirements. Democrat excuses just don’t hold water. They’re lying, they’re obviously lying, and everyone knows it.

    It’s one of those duck things, you know, if it walks like a duck, quacks, and has feathers, it’s probably….

  53. The rest on here are interested in personal vilifications and attacks, but that’s OK, it illustrates their personal weaknesses, which is one of my intents.

    This, from the guy who calls people racists without providing any evidence, who attacks people’s religious beliefs, who uses terms like unpatriotic and un-American to describe his opponents? What a lying sack of shit!

  54. And this dirty trick has been compounded by a Romney ad which just came out taking the same statement out of context.

    Oh boo hoo, Perry. Your side just called Romney a felon. You want to play hardball? Then quit whining.

  55. And btw, where are Romney’s tax returns. Even Republicans are urging him to reveal them. His father revealed 13 of his. What is Romney trying to hide from the American people, I ask?

    This is old news. Nobody cares, especially now since Obama has declared war on the individual.

  56. Orwell is alive and well and living as BO. This is too Orwellian for words:

    Obama Claims He Never Said “You Didn’t Build That”

    OK folks, if you have not been offended enough by Barack Obama’s outright lies, then this one will certainly do it. After claiming that people who built businesses didn’t do it on their own, Team Obama has come out with a new ad saying that he didn’t say that.

    The ad comes up with Mitt Romney reading a direct quote from Barack Obama, then the ad cuts to a snide text remark, “The only problem? That’s not what he (Obama) said.”

    Read more and check the other sources for a good laugh at the Brainwashing BO is attempting.
    http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/unbelieveable-ad-claims-obama-never-said-you-didnt-build-that/#ixzz217MDwuLi

  57. “You’re right — voter fraud is not a significant problem. And getting a photo ID, if you, for some reason remarkably do not already have one, is not a significant hassle to obtain.”

    Perhaps not for you, but you don’t/can’t speak for the 10% or so who do not have one.

    Moreover, where is the voter fraud. You or anyone on here still have not shown evidence of it. Therefore I continue to accuse you and your Party of voter suppression.

  58. “At one time I would have preferred to have described him as broken, or incomplete, or traumatized by a damaging childhood which left him blind to the absolute necessity of freedom and of self-governance to any life having human dignity or value.

    However, Perry’s recent “defense” of a moral relativism so radical, so essentially nihilistic (in the strict philosophical sense) that he cannot find the intellectual formula to “objectively” condemn child rape, has left me wondering what the hell this guy really is.

    As a college graduate and industrial chemist, could he really have holes so large in his intellect and moral formation that he could truly be unconscious of, and innocent of, the moral and logical implications of his own philosophy?

    In other words, could his life education be so impoverished, and his leftism so ad hoc, that he can’t be held completely responsible for what he is actually working to bring about?

    I doubted it before. And, now, after the recent extensive but failed exchanges with Perry on his moral nihilism; exchanges which demonstrated the impossibility of getting Perry even to face the blatant logical implications of the progressive’s belief system for the progressive himself, I am convinced of it.

    As I said before, and as I still maintain: at core, Perry and his moral kind, simply cannot “recognize the boundary between its own wants and the persons of others.”

    But it’s not a matter of innocence …”

    DNW, you can analyze and characterize me any way you like, of course, but coming from you, a moral cripple yourself, in my view, your words have no significance whatsoever to me. Your intellectual and moral elitism is unimpressive.

    Regarding child rape, of course I am against it.

    All the rest of your rant is meant to tear me down or make me go away, in which case you have failed miserably.

    If you wish to discuss issues, that is what we are supposed to be here for. But you digress from this in order to participate in character assassination, which in itself says a lot negative about your own morals and ethics, and suggests a predilection signaling that you have permitted yourself to lose control of your sensibilities.

    Now don’t feel as though you stand out from the crowd, because there are several others on this blog who have dug themselves into your pit; so you have company.

  59. Eric says:
    July 19, 2012 at 20:04

    Obama believes individuals can’t succeed on their own.

    That is because he knows full well that he of all people, did not. He’s just projecting his own experience as an indulged but fatherless son of a negligent mother.

    Course you could say the same thing about that POS Bill Clinton, as I previously have.

    Democrat candidates for president nearly all seem to have rather dysfunctional family relationships. As do their supporters … if for example you take Perry at his word when he describes the last several generations of his.

    Can you imagine what it means in terms of human relationships if, after all the high-flown but empty interpersonal claims rhetoric emitted by Democrats, a carefully dispassionate and strictly naturalistic (rather than “metaphysical”) analysis revealed that left-wingers are – taken as reproducing organisms – just the label we apply to a set emotionally troubled of people from fucked-up families, whose Darwinian strategy for survival is robbing your family through the instrumentality of government, in order to compensate themselves for what they and their parents have not gotten from nature, or through voluntary exchange?

    So where does that locate them in terms of fellowship value?

  60. Wagonwheel says:
    July 20, 2012 at 00:24


    At one time I would have preferred to have described him as broken, or incomplete, or traumatized by a damaging childhood which left him blind to the absolute necessity of freedom and of self-governance to any life having human dignity or value.

    However, Perry’s recent “defense” of a moral relativism so radical, so essentially nihilistic (in the strict philosophical sense) that he cannot find the intellectual formula to “objectively” condemn child rape, has left me wondering what the hell this guy really is.

    As a college graduate and industrial chemist, could he really have holes so large in his intellect and moral formation that he could truly be unconscious of, and innocent of, the moral and logical implications of his own philosophy?

    In other words, could his life education be so impoverished, and his leftism so ad hoc, that he can’t be held completely responsible for what he is actually working to bring about?

    I doubted it before. And, now, after the recent extensive but failed exchanges with Perry on his moral nihilism; exchanges which demonstrated the impossibility of getting Perry even to face the blatant logical implications of the progressive’s belief system for the progressive himself, I am convinced of it.

    As I said before, and as I still maintain: at core, Perry and his moral kind, simply cannot “recognize the boundary between its own wants and the persons of others.”

    But it’s not a matter of innocence …”

    DNW, you can analyze and characterize me any way you like, of course, but coming from you, a moral cripple yourself, in my view, your words have no significance whatsoever to me. Your intellectual and moral elitism is unimpressive.

    Regarding child rape, of course I am against it.

    All the rest of your rant is meant to tear me down or make me go away, in which case you have failed miserably.

    If you wish to discuss issues, that is what we are supposed to be here for. But you digress from this in order to participate in character assassination, which in itself says a lot negative about your own morals and ethics, and suggests a predilection signaling that you have permitted yourself to lose control of your sensibilities.

    Now don’t feel as though you stand out from the crowd, because there are several others on this blog who have dug themselves into your pit; so you have company.”

    More empty “push-back”. You are against it but you don’t think it is objectively wrong. Like abortion. Well possibly unlike abortion, in that while you oppose laws outlawing abortion which you say you are also against, you presumably do not oppose laws, for the time being, outlawing adult-child sexual activity.

    Perry, you imply that what you see is reprehensible character assassination, while refusing to face the fact that the substance of your moral evaluations are merely being compared against your often stated principles of evaluation.

    You say: “If you wish to discuss issues, that is what we are supposed to be here for. ”

    What could be more issue oriented than examining the logical coherence of your incessantly leveled accusations of “racism”, and “greediness” and “inhumanity” according to your own announced standards of moral evaluation?

    You are continually accusing others of egregiously violating moral standards. But – placing aside the question of whether there is even any truth to that – these same moral standards to which you refer, are by your own repeated proclamation mere social conventions changeable at a moment’s notice, rooted only in the physical convenience or material advantage of the person or persons doing the pronouncing; the validity and moral force of which are even further reduced by your radically subjectivist take on them.

    You might well ask yourself why you even bother accusing others of violating standards which you hold to be as just as vaporous and changeable as the breath on which the accusations are borne.

    The only conclusion one can reasonably draw, is that you engage in this hypocritical exercise for cynical rhetorical reasons; as part of your announced political push-back program.

    You want what you want, and are undeterred in getting it by the prospect of slyly deploying a little pseudo-moral language before the “literalists” as if you really believed in the same stuff yourself.

    So, what I am doing is certainly addressing the issues. One of which is the issue of your intellectual fitness to issue moral edicts and demands that we fundamentally reorder our conceptions regarding the nature of right and wrong and what makes up a humanly worthwhile and satisfying life.

    You pretend, while you salt your comments with repeated moral indictments, to wish to speak merely of the efficiency of this or that approach, the efficacy of a certain technique is reaching an agreed upon and unobjectionable result.

    In fact you advance a program of fundamental social reordering and totalizing government control and supervision; of a population transformed from free self-directing citizens, into social material, and state resources.

    To agree to argue with you on the basis your falsely presented and insincerely advanced terms is like agreeing to limit commentary to polite suggestions as to the color of the curtains in our future prison barracks, while you plan just where we shall live and for how long.

  61. “What could be more issue oriented than examining the logical coherence of your incessantly leveled accusations of “racism”, and “greediness” and “inhumanity” according to your own announced standards of moral evaluation?”

    Don’t we all do this, DNW. Of course we do, you included.

    Then what is your point? It seems to be to attempt to elevate your values above mine, by continuing to exercise your character assassination proclivities against my character. Who the hell do you think you are?

    Never mind, DNW. Our values clash, which is of little consequence to either of us in the general scheme of things. If an exercise like this does your ego well, be my guest.

  62. You are continually accusing others of egregiously violating moral standards.

    This is exactly right, and then he whines when others do the same to him. And, all the while, he insists that morals are relative as he denounces “Absolutists”. Perry’s whole character is just one big lie.

  63. Then what is your point? It seems to be to attempt to elevate your values above mine, by continuing to exercise your character assassination proclivities against my character. Who the hell do you think you are?

    DNW has you absolutely pegged, which is why you react the way you do. He has exposed your political philosophy as being essentially hollow and phony, and that your expressed ideology is fundamentally anti-freedom. He has also exposed your moral relativism for the sham that it is. Rather than whine about DNW, you could learn from his criticisms and improve both your thinking and your character.

  64. “DNW has you absolutely pegged, which is why you react the way you do. He has exposed your political philosophy as being essentially hollow and phony, and that your expressed ideology is fundamentally anti-freedom. He has also exposed your moral relativism for the sham that it is. Rather than whine about DNW, you could learn from his criticisms and improve both your thinking and your character.”

    Right, like I said Eric, you are down in the same pit as DNW. There is no compelling reason why you and DNW and John Hitchcock must believe in my political and personal values. They are what I have chosen them to be, as are yours. I respect that, but you three don’t, instead insisting on your absolutism and far right extremism. But that is who you are, and I am who I am. Character assassination in the abstract, which is exactly what DNW does, including twisting my statements so he can attack them and me; that’s not kosher, although history teaches that it is to be expected!

  65. Don’t whine about character assassination, Perry, since you are an expert at it. Instead, learn from DNW on how to have better, pro-American values and to think more clearly.

  66. “Don’t whine about character assassination, Perry, since you are an expert at it. Instead, learn from DNW on how to have better, pro-American values and to think more clearly.”

    And your example is exactly what, Eric?

    And learn from DNW? That really is a howl.

  67. If you weren’t so arrogant (all left wingers are arrogant), you could learn a lot from DNW. He is obviously much smarter and better educated, and he has a deep philosophical understanding of American values, which you lack.

  68. “If you weren’t so arrogant (all left wingers are arrogant), you could learn a lot from DNW. He is obviously much smarter and better educated, and he has a deep philosophical understanding of American values, which you lack.”

    Educated? That depends on the discipline.

    Moreover, education is great, but it is no guarantee for having common sense, ethics, or morality, where DNW is may leave something to be desired. It is in this area which he chooses to attack, mostly in the abstract. Sure, he wins points with his fellow political acolytes and absolutists, like you, Eric, hardly a judge of character. You don’t even know how to apologize!

  69. The point is, DNW is trying to educate you in what it means to have all-American values. That means being pro-freedom. You could learn a lot from him.

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