The Oh So Terrible Condition Of Texas

Perry, the radical Leftist resident of Delaware who comments at The First Street Journal, decided to spout off “facts” that somehow “prove” Texas is terrible, and worse than the rest of the country.

Well of course our Editor wants to claim a pattern here, but he isn’t willing to peel back the curtain here, realizing that there is more to the quality of life than so-called business friendliness.

Consider this:

* Unemployment is higher than the national average,

* TX has a serious budget shortfall,

* TX has had to seriously cut back on education,

* TX is running out of groundwater, with no solution in sight,

* TX is currently in the second year of a serious drought,

* cattle and grain production has dropped precipitously,

* highest uninsured health care in the country,

* TX is turning down the medicaid expansion federal money,

* John Hitchcock lives in TX,

* and the highest number of death penalties in the country.

You name it, problems in TX are severe.

“Unemployment [in Texas] is higher than the national average.” From his very comment, he includes — but does not link to — something said on CBS last autumn, which included this dandy little statement: Texas’ unemployment has nearly reached the national unemployment level. We’ll check out that claim soon, but let’s point out here that Perry’s claim at the top of his comment is directly contradicted by his link-free quote (something he does with regularity, quoting something without providing a link or a name) at the bottom of his comment.


As I previously noted in an article which made “Post of the Day” at Le-gal In-sur-rec-tion on June 21, the May unemployment figures showed Texas has had a lower unemployment rate than the national average for 65 straight months (and that will only continue to be the case). It’s some strange alternate universe in which Perry the Delaware Socialist lives where Texas’ 6.9 percent May unemployment rate is somehow worse than the US 8.2 percent unemployment rate.

From June 2006 to June 2011, Texas was one of only nine states plus DC that added jobs. During that time-frame, Texas added 537,500 jobs, or over 73 percent of the total jobs added (a rate of 2,138 new jobs per 100,000 population). At the same time the US lost 4,818,000 jobs (a rate of 1,561 jobs lost per 100,000 population). And, point in fact, during 2006 and up till March, 2007, the US was still adding jobs at a rate fast enough to easily keep pace with the population growth. So that only amplifies the rate at which the US lost jobs while Democrats held control of Congress.

In an article I wrote noting again how the Leftist-ruled states of California and Illinois are shedding jobs and productive people with their tax-heavy and regulation-heavy (especially in California) agenda, I pointed out yet another Leftist state’s demise. Maryland, in its anti-Tenth Commandment “soak the rich” Class Envy and Class Warfare mentality created a new tax on the wealthy, most productive residents. What happened? They fled the state and went to more Conservative, more business-friendly, less tax-heavy states. And, in violating the Tenth Commandment, Maryland’s tax revenue stream actually shrank. By quite a bit. Maryland raised taxes on “the rich” and lost money in the process. That’s an outcome we Conservatives have been loudly declaring would be the case with the Leftists’ Class Warfare “soak the rich” mentality. Of course, the “economics experts” are completely shocked to find when the Federal Government puts policies in place that closely track what those self-same “experts” espouse, the results are very notably dismal — again and again and again and again, providing the absolutely knee-slappingly hilarious, yet sobering “unexpected” mantra that those “experts” have been everpresently spouting for the past three and a half years.

Now, Texas does have its share of problems. Barack Obama’s Contempt of Federal Court activities in shutting down off-shore oil drilling and exploration, one of Texas’ largest industries. Barack Obama’s EPA working feverishly to shut down some of Texas’ electric generating plants while Texas is growing much more quickly than the rest of the nation in terms of both population and jobs. And, of course, Texas’ decades-long (or should I say Century-Long) explosive population growth, far exceeding that of the US as a whole, which means Texas has to produce far greater numbers of jobs per 100,000 population than the US as a whole — just to keep pace with population growth.

And how is Texas doing? The state’s unemployment numbers have remained well below that of the US for years and the unemployment rate is dropping faster than the US as a whole. As forecast by the Conservatives among us.

“Texas has a serious budget shortfall.” No, that would be Illinois, California, Maryland, New York, etc, etc. Places the Democrats have run into the ground. Texas has a Constitutional requirement to run a balanced budget. And its biennial Budget is balanced and was balanced without raising taxes, much to the chagrin of Paul Burka, Leftist Senior Editor of Texas Monthly magazine, whose rants I documented and shredded in an 8,500 word article that Le-gal In-sur-rec-tion also named “Post of the Day”. If you don’t want to read the entire thing (and you should), drop down near the bottom where Paul Burka rants and raves about the absolutely demanding, governing-free Conservatives and their orgasmic feeding frenzy of not eating. It’s a real knee-slapper.

“TX has had to seriously cut back on education.” Let’s let IowaHawk handle this one. In his first article, IowaHawk provides this:

So how does brokeass, dumbass, redneck Texas stack up against progressive unionized Wisconsin?

2009 4th Grade Math

White students: Texas 254, Wisconsin 250 (national average 248)
Black students: Texas 231, Wisconsin 217 (national 222)
Hispanic students: Texas 233, Wisconsin 228 (national 227)

2009 8th Grade Math

White students: Texas 301, Wisconsin 294 (national 294)
Black students: Texas 272, Wisconsin 254 (national 260)
Hispanic students: Texas 277, Wisconsin 268 (national 260)

2009 4th Grade Reading

White students: Texas 232, Wisconsin 227 (national 229)
Black students: Texas 213, Wisconsin 192 (national 204)
Hispanic students: Texas 210, Wisconsin 202 (national 204)

2009 8th Grade Reading

White students: Texas 273, Wisconsin 271 (national 271)
Black students: Texas 249, Wisconsin 238 (national 245)
Hispanic students: Texas 251, Wisconsin 250 (national 248)

2009 4th Grade Science

White students: Texas 168, Wisconsin 164 (national 162)
Black students: Texas 139, Wisconsin 121 (national 127)
Hispanic students: Wisconsin 138, Texas 136 (national 130)

2009 8th Grade Science

White students: Texas 167, Wisconsin 165 (national 161)
Black students: Texas 133, Wisconsin 120 (national 125)
Hispanic students: Texas 141, Wisconsin 134 (national 131)

To recap: white students in Texas perform better than white students in Wisconsin, black students in Texas perform better than black students in Wisconsin, Hispanic students in Texas perform better than Hispanic students in Wisconsin. In 18 separate ethnicity-controlled comparisons, the only one where Wisconsin students performed better than their peers in Texas was 4th grade science for Hispanic students (statistically insignificant), and this was reversed by 8th grade. Further, Texas students exceeded the national average for their ethnic cohort in all 18 comparisons; Wisconsinites were below the national average in 8, above average in 8.

Perhaps the most striking thing in these numbers is the within-state gap between white and minority students. Not only did white Texas students outperform white Wisconsin students, the gap between white students and minority students in Texas was much less than the gap between white and minority students in Wisconsin. In other words, students are better off in Texas schools than in Wisconsin schools – especially minority students.

In his second article on the subject, IowaHawk provides even more evidence that destroys the Leftist meme.

Average ACT Composite Score 2010
White students: Wisconsin 23.5, Texas 23.3 (national 23.1)
Black students: Texas 17.6, Wisconsin 16.9 (national 17.5)
Hispanic students: Wisconsin 19.8, Texas 18.7 (national 19.4)

As an aside, reader Dr. William Borland (Principal Research Engineer, Georgia Institute of Technology, lah-tee-dah) points out that 2010 state-specific public high school dropout rates are now available- and bolster my case.

2010 Public High School Event Dropout Rates
White students: Wisconsin 1.4%, Texas 1.8% (national average 2.8%)
Black students: Texas 6.3%, Wisconsin 7.8% (national average 6.7%)
Hispanic students: Texas 5.3%, Wisconsin 5.4% (national average 6.0%)

While no dropout event is good, Texas is hardly the outlier national shame claimed by Krugman. In fact, it has below national average dropout rates for all 3 ethnic groups considered, consistently in both 2007 and 2010 measures. Among white students, Wisconsin had the second lowest state event dropout rate (NJ #1), where Texas was tied for 7th. Among black students, Wisconsin was #39, Texas tied for #24. Among Hispanic students, Wisconsin was tied for #21, Texas was tied for #17.

Here’s a chart from a September17, 2009 article at Demablogue:

We have been dumping more money per student into Public Education for over 40 years without seeing any improvement in test scores. Obviously, to any reasonable person, dumping even more money into the broken system will not fix the broken system. Continuing on with IowaHawk:

Hey, it’s been a fun two days based on a simple 30-minute study of educational statistics. As regards the effect of teacher collective bargaining on student learning, I wouldn’t call what I did conclusive; just pointing out the fallacy of aggregate statistical comparisons. For a definitive study of the effect, I would point to Caroline Hoxby’s (Harvard/ MIT /Stanford, lah tee dah) 1996 QJE paper [pdf], which statistically controls for additional variables. Her main conclusions: collective bargaining increases the input provided to schools (spending, construction and the like), but actual decreases school output (test scores and the like). If you don’t like Greek letters, here’s Hoxby discussing the effect on YouTube.

[Video added.]

Perry would do very well not to listen to Paul Krugman as the above very clearly shows the fraudulent huckster’s tomfoolery. Also, from IowaHawk:

But hey, if credentials and oak-framed vellum degrees are your bag, let me share this email with you:

Dear Mr. Burger:
I edit educationnext.org. I have a blog on the site. I would like to do a blog that will depends heavily on your material,quoting you at length, as I also think Krugman is a nobel prize winning fraud and because your data are intrinsically interesting… I will link the piece to your site, obviously.

Paul E. Peterson
Henry Lee Shattuck Professor of Government
Director, Program on Education Policy and Governance
Harvard University
Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution

Degrees-y enough for you? Despite getting my name wrong, I accepted Prof. Peterson’s request and encouraged him to go at my results hammer-and-tongs. His comments are here.

As for Mr. Krugman, I’ll only note the remarks of his former ombudsman at the New York Times, Daniel Okrent:

“Op-Ed columnist Paul Krugman has the disturbing habit of shaping, slicing and selectively citing numbers in a fashion that pleases his acolytes but leaves him open to substantive assaults.”

No shit, Sherlock.

“TX is running out of groundwater, with no solution in sight.” “TX is currently in the second year of a serious drought.” I don’t know what “groundwater” Perry is talking about. Perhaps it’s the water that’s on the ground, which is directly affected by rain. Because there’s plenty of water under the ground. And I had to stop researching and writing this article for about 3 hours as a strong thunderstorm swept through the area, providing rivers of water running down the gravel drive and ponding heavily in the yard. But Perry doesn’t want people to know that Texas has had one of its rainiest Springs in many years, far above average precipitation.

“Cattle and grain production has dropped precipitously.” Because only Texans eat the beef from Texas cattle. There’s no export to other states or other countries. And no other states ever get effected by droughts (the Carolinas and Georgia a few years ago) or floods (the Great Plains states a few years ago). What foolish claptrap. And with the far wetter-than-average Spring, which is continuing into Summer, the cattle-and-grain issue will very easily resolve itself, without government intervention. That’s not to say the same thing about California’s very agriculturally rich Central Valley, where radical Leftist environmentalist wackos in the California EPA and the US EPA turned the water off, destroying the agriculture, destroying businesses, destroying employment, destroying private wealth, destroying lives. California’s Central Valley problem could be very easily solved. Turn the water back on, you radical Leftist nutjobs!

“Highest uninsured health care in the country.” That may or may not be the case, but Texans are a very Independent, Liberty Loving people on the whole. If they do not want to buy health insurance, that should be their prerogative, and absolutely no concern for the Socialist busy-bodies like Perry. Heck, for individual adults under 30, health insurance is a bad investment, overall. They don’t tend to get all that sick, so their overpayments just go to take care of other people and not themselves. That’s not what makes a good investment.

“TX is turning down the medicaid expansion federal money.” Imagine that. A principled position for Independence and Liberty, refusing “free” OPM (other people’s money) with all the Federal regulations, restrictions, throat-slashing strings attached, coming from an “entitlement” program that is quickly becoming bankrupt. How dare Texas stand up for fiscal responsibility, Liberty, Freedom and Principle! Texas should help bankrupt the US so we can become a Socialist dictatorship that much faster!

“John Hitchcock lives in TX.” That’s just a hate-filled personal attack coming from The First Street Journal’s resident hater. That is all.

“And the highest number of death penalties in the country.” This is a good thing. A very good thing. Violent felons who snuff out innocent lives, be warned. Try that in Texas and you lose your own life. Also, Texans are among the most heavily armed, and we have the Castle Doctrine. Enter my property uninvited after dark at your own risk.

Of course, I produced the evidence a month ago regarding Texas’ economic strength compared to the rest of the country.

The economic strength rankings of the US’s 366 metropolitan areas is out, and the Killeen-Fort Hood-Temple area (where I live and work) is 30th nationally. Dover, Delaware is ranked 158, Detroit is 215, Cleveland, Ohio is 185.

Overall, Texas is doing very well, with Austin at 5, San Antonio 10, Houston 12, Dallas-Fort Worth 14, Killeen-Temple 30, and Corpus Christi 49.

Among other things, cost of living and job growth are strongly considered to create the rankings.

Let’s do a little math. Of the 366 metropolitan areas in the US, Texas has 6 in the top 49. Washington DC, with its absolute dependence on Federal Government jobs and not economy-growing jobs, ranks number 1. With 6 metropolitan areas in the top 49, each of those six Texas metropolitan areas is guaranteed to have outperformed at least six entire states. With 4 of the top 14 metropolitan areas, each of those four Texas metropolitan areas is guaranteed to have outperformed at least 39 entire states. Is it any wonder Texas is the number one state in the Union, economically?
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Originally published on Truth Before Dishonor

Edit: Self-edited to delete a specific identity I do not provide at TFSJ, in deference to the Editor, but that I had accidentally left in place.

44 Comments

  1. While WW thinks that there are just terrible things wrong with the Lonestar State, real businesses are relocating to Texas from much more liberal California. Those businesses are run by real people, investing real money, seeking better conditions in which to earn a real profit.

  2. A lot of made up stuff here, but let me just start my counter with this:

    “* highest uninsured health care in the country,”

    A scorecard issued by a federal agency has ranked Texas health care services and delivery as among the worst in the nation.

    The Agency for Health Care Research and Quality issued the ratings as part of a national review of state health care programs.

    In nine out of 12 categories Texas rated weak or very weak. The only area where Texas ranked good was in maternal and child health care measures. A spokeswoman for the Texas Health and Human Services Commission did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

    Texas offers one of the most limited health care programs in the nation for the disabled and the poor, and more than 25 percent of Texans do not have health insurance of any kind, the highest in the nation.”

    Who would want to live in a state with lousy health care? There’s lots more yet to document.

  3. * TX has had to seriously cut back on education,

    “Perry cut $5 billion cut in education spending.”

    At the same time, Governor Perry has:

    “Texas Governor Rick Perry is moving back into the Governor’s Mansion. For the $25 million it cost the state to renovate it, he better enjoy it.

    The state originally allocated just $10 million for the mansion’s renovation, according to USA Today. However, the cost of the renovation rose significantly following a 2008 arson attack, which severely damaged much of the building.

    The improved Governor’s Mansion will include inch-thick longleaf pine floors, an added wing and a geothermal heating and cooling system that required digging 40 350-foot (107 meter) wells, according to Bloomberg. The cost of the mansion renovations would have paid for 11 million school lunches.

    At a time of budget austerity regarding schools and health care, Governor Perry is not setting a good example by his mansion indulgences and cost overrun of 250%!

    And then there is this:

    “At the same time that its school population is growing, the Perry budget cuts $4 billion in basic spending on public education–a spending reduction that could force school districts to cut tens of thousands of jobs, increase class sizes, or hike local property taxes. Altogether, it’s the first per-capita decrease in education spending since World War II. The earliest rounds of teacher layoffs and other painful cuts won’t take effect until this spring.”

    The impact on education in TX by these budget cuts will be great, thus nullifying the selected data that John Hitchcock has culled out!

  4. Perry, be on your best behavior. This is my article. This is your only warning.

    A lot of made up stuff here

    None of it is a lie, Perry. It’s all backed up with facts.

    Who would want to live in a state with lousy health care?

    Reduced rates of Health Insurance =! “lousy health care”, Perry, and you should know better than to even suggest they are the same thing. In fact, Texas has some of the very best hospitals in the nation. And you would know that if you bothered doing any research instead of parroting Leftist talking points.

  5. Geothermal systems are “Green” energy, that thing the Left is in love with. Note how Perry the Delaware Leftist decides to attack Governor Perry for updating the Governor’s mansion (where Governor Perry will eventually leave) with “Green” energy.

    Also note that Perry the Delaware Leftist has to absolutely ignore the fact that more public education spending has not at all provided any improved educational outputs in over 40 years in order to cry about not spending more money on the already broken system.

  6. * TX has a serious budget shortfall,

    “Finally, Perry’s budget ignores a $4.5 billion structural deficit that happens every year due to a 2006 tax reform that’s never generated as much revenue as expected. Strapped for education funds, Texas towns had been maxing out property taxes on residents. Perry crafted a bipartisan compromise that offset lower property taxes with a change in the state’s franchise tax on business that raised revenue. But the deal has come up billions of dollars short, leaving Perry’s 2012-2013 budget with yet another hole. As the AP notes, Standard and Poor’s has cited the tax revenue shortfall as one of the “primary sources” of the state’s budget problems.
    Even Republican state legislators acknowledge that the budget is riddled with IOUs and hidden shortfalls that will quickly come due. How is Texas likely to pay off its bills? First, by resorting to the $6.5 billion in the state’s Rainy Day Fund, effectively erasing the extra savings that Perry boasts his current budget contains. “The Rainy Day Fund is probably already spent with the Medicaid costs and public education,” acknowledges GOP state Rep. Phil King. “Effectively they’ve used it…They just aren’t going to fess up until January of 2013,” Bill Hammond, president of the Texas Association of Business, told the Texas Tribune.
    That’s why some Republicans are starting to advocate for the need for (gasp!) tax increases to cover Perry’s papered-over budget gap. Texas state Rep. Drew Darby, a Republican budget writer, told the Dallas Morning News last week that another budget relying on cuts only wouldn’t pass muster due to the state’s growing population, its tax revenue deficit, and need for better transportation and water infrastructure. “Texas is like every other state positioned here today: We’re going to have to start looking at our revenue side,” said the GOP legislator. “We can’t just look at the cutting side.””

    Thus, Governor Perry’s fiscal manipulation games are causing serious budget problems. He has passed his problems down to the municipal level, causing increases in property taxes, but now he will have to bite the bullet and raise state income taxes.

    Finally, Governor Perry is bragging that he will refuse to accept the Medicaid expansion for his state under the PPACA (ObamaCare). Do you actually think he will follow through on this promise. If he does, he really is nuts. No, he really is already nuts, as will dawn on Texans very soon.

    Looks like John Hitchcock’s usual habit of selecting out only the good stuff does not pass the muster that a little bit of research turns up.

    There’s more to come as time permits.

  7. Quoting an article JournoLister Ezra Klein wrote in August of 2011. Cute. Little does Perry know that the Budget process was completed, without raising taxes.

    And all who were members of that ill-fated sycophantic JournoList are despicably dishonest. So do try again, with someone a bit more respectable than a member of the juice box mafioso.

    Looks like John Hitchcock’s usual habit of selecting out only the good stuff…

    Careful.

  8. * TX is running out of groundwater, with no solution in sight,

    “But the aquifer’s levels are declining sharply here. In a dry growing season last year, the High Plains Water District, which includes all or part of 15 Panhandle counties, recorded an average drop of 1.5 feet, the most since 1997. The rains have returned, but the 2007 state water plan projects that the Ogallala’s volume will fall a staggering 52 percent between 2010 and 2060, as corn and cotton growers continue to draw from its depths. The consequences for farmers could be severe: The use of big pivot irrigation — the lifeblood of the Panhandle — could be cut back severely in 10 to 20 years if current usage patterns continue, researchers at Texas Tech University estimate.

    “The aquifer is reaching a point where it is not going to produce the water that some farmers are going to want to see produced,” said Robert Mace, the deputy executive administrator of the Texas Water Development Board, the state’s water development planning group. Like other experts, he notes that the aquifer’s thickness varies tremendously from place to place — and in a few spots, like parts of Dawson County, the levels are actually increasing. In general, he says, Texans are probably pumping the Ogallala at about six times the rate of recharge.

    Groundwater is water underground, in contrast to surface water. Texas relies on groundwater, the Ogallala aquifer, which is being depleted about six times the rate of recharge, thus a serious concern for Texans. It has been predicted that by 2060, about 50% of the aquifer will be depleted. The state does not regulate water usage, since the water rights belong to the land owners over the aquifer, thus causing a years long controversy in the state government. As the population of the state mushrooms, water scarcity increases, exacerbated by the severe drought conditions of recent years due to climate change.

  9. While our liberal from Lewes continues to tell us what a Hellhole Texas is, your Editor looked at the population growth rates for each state. Number one in the United States was, you guessed it, Texas. WW is offering one man’s opinion concerning the Lone Star State, but, overall, it seems that more people believe that Texas is a good place to live than is the case with any other state.

    Or, you can look at this site, which shows net migration in and out of a state, and number one is, again, Texas.

  10. * highest uninsured health care in the country,

    * TX is turning down the medicaid expansion federal money,

    This is worth repeating, but with different emphasis:

    “AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A scorecard issued by a federal agency has ranked Texas health care services and delivery as among the worst in the nation.

    The Agency for Health Care Research and Quality issued the ratings as part of a national review of state health care programs.

    In nine out of 12 categories Texas rated weak or very weak. The only area where Texas ranked good was in maternal and child health care measures. A spokeswoman for the Texas Health and Human Services Commission did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

    Texas offers one of the most limited health care programs in the nation for the disabled and the poor, and more than 25 percent of Texans do not have health insurance of any kind, the highest in the nation.

    Given these facts, does anyone believe that the blustery Governor Perry will turn down the federal dollars in support of the Medicaid expansion in that state?

    Continuing Texas prosperity is dependent on high priced oil, which in a declining economy demand decreases as does the price. Moreover, the competition from fracking produced natural gas is growing rapidly. Given also that TX is prone to droughts and scorching heat, the military presence will decrease at Fort Hood, and the demise of the space program, I think we will see job growth dissipate as well as the quality of education given the severe budget cuts.

    Texas produced the most famous liberal President since FDR a half century ago. As the mentioned TX problems multiply, I see these liberal roots resurfacing, perhaps to the point where Texas will come hat in hand for help from Uncle Sam.

    It’s time for Texans to count their chickens, and their blessings as well, as they should now prepare for the struggles ahead!

  11. Continuing Texas prosperity is dependent on high priced oil

    That is a bunch of hooey, and you should know better than to put that out there, Perry. Especially in a thread where you are not even officially permitted to comment. Texas does not need oil to be high priced, nor does Texas need natural gas — another product Texas has in abundance — to be high priced. Good thing, too, because natural gas is actually very low priced. Because we suddenly have a whole lot of it in a whole lot of places, what, with fracking and all.

    And the military presence decreasing at Fort Hood? Where on earth did you get that idea? Nothing but a bunch of hogwash.

    And I already showed how Texas beats the national average in education, and that pumping in huge dollars has not helped test scores over 40 years, and that the stronger the collective bargaining the worse the education.

    So please be careful about your claims when commenting in a thread where you’re not officially permitted to comment.

  12. And don’t expect the Liberty-Loving, highly Independent, “Don’t Mess With Texas” spirit of the Republic of Texas to so easily turn to lily-livered belly-crawling leeching Leftists. Ain’t gonna happen. Texans will die with their hats and boots on and their guns in their hands first.

  13. WW wrote:

    It’s time for Texans to count their chickens, and their blessings as well, as they should now prepare for the struggles ahead!

    A rather unusual statement. At a time when our federal government and many states veered hard to the left, Texas stayed the sensible, conservative course. And right now, Texas is ranked the best state for business, has much lower unemployment than the national average, and people are moving onto Texas, while they are emigrating from states like New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut and California, where the liberals have free rein. In California, unemployment is above 10%, while new York is the only state to see unemployment increase since 2010.

    Yet, somehow you think that this is bad, and that somehow, the Lone Star State will have to pay the piper soon. trouble is, in the states being (mis)managed by the liberals, they are already paying the piper.

    But, you know, I’ve finally figured out what really bothers you about Texas: what they have been doing there works!

    That really puts a heavy burden on you. Not only are you having to work double-time to explain to us why President Obama’s record of failure isn’t really a failure at all, and now you’re working from the other side, trying to tell us that Texas’ record of success isn’t really success.

  14. “Texas produced the most famous liberal President since FDR a half century ago. “

    A resentment laden, morally labile, neurotic vulgarian; impelled into politics in order to prove he was as socially good as the next guy; who gained his US Senate seat through vote fraud, who enriched himself through shady acquisitions involving government broadcast licenses; a posturing yet timidly dithering disaster in foreign policy, who left behind a quagmire-like mess in Vietnam to be cleaned up by Republicans … a liberal Democrat alright. An amoral blowhard, an opportunistic enemy of constitutional government, personally enriched by government dispensed spoils: Lyndon Baines Johnson, a living paradigm of liberal political sensibilities and practices.

    By the way, part of this conversation was held before on CSPT when John and I pointed out the fallacy of supposing that Texas embarrassingly lagged Wisconsin when it came to academic results.

    Perry won’t get any more traction on that here, than his allies did there.

  15. E

    ditor says:
    July 12, 2012 at 13:42

    WW wrote:

    It’s time for Texans to count their chickens, and their blessings as well, as they should now prepare for the struggles ahead!

    A rather unusual statement.”

    He probably imagines that liberals will migrate there in large numbers once they have unbearably fouled their own nests, and can no longer find anyone to clean up after them.

  16. Texas produced the most famous liberal President since FDR a half century ago. As the mentioned TX problems multiply, I see these liberal roots resurfacing, perhaps to the point where Texas will come hat in hand for help from Uncle Sam.

    Only Perry would WANT a state to have to come begging for government help.

  17. Eric wrote:

    Texas produced the most famous liberal President since FDR a half century ago. As the mentioned TX problems multiply, I see these liberal roots resurfacing, perhaps to the point where Texas will come hat in hand for help from Uncle Sam.

    Only Perry would WANT a state to have to come begging for government help.

    Of course he does, because it would “prove” his points.

    But it does reveal something of his mindset. He has frequently accused Republicans of wanting failure in the economy, just so we can get rid of President Obama, something that not one of us has ever said. Perhaps he thinks that’s what we want, because, deep down, he wants to see the failure of conservative government, and it’s just so natural a feeling for him that he can’t understand how we might not share it.

  18. Getting back to the topic of this thread, my point was that TX has some serious problems, and I proceeded to document some of them, health insurance and health care being among the major ones. I am not saying that that state has some pluses, and job creation is a major one.

    It is just amazing how some decide to get all defensive and go to great lengths to obscure the problems. That’s not being in search of the truth, that’s obscuring the truth.

  19. “… my point was that TX has some serious problems, and I proceeded to document some of them…”

    Apparently those problems are not as “serious” as you make them out to be or people wouldn’t be flocking to Texas from all those failing liberal led states, now would they? Obviously they think the +’s for Texas outweigh the -’s. Seems they feel the ability to be free from a parasitic tax and spend liberal shit hole a better alternative for themselves, their families and their businesses. Can’t say I blame them. But I guess you think it better to live in a state where cities declaire bankruptcy weekly, where it’s better to spend billions for a train to nowhere than balance a budget, where their own environmental policies are killing food production, energy production, business expansion and human development.

    “It is just amazing how some decide to get all defensive and go to great lengths to obscure the problems. That’s not being in search of the truth, that’s obscuring the truth.”

    I don’t think anyone is obscuring any problems here, they’re just prioritizing the ones which are important to anyone who’s not a leftist: freedom, independence, low taxes, fewer regulations and a government that appreciates it’s citizenry and dosen’t spend eavery waking hour trying to figure out how to screw the taxpayer. If you were really in search of the truth you would acknowledge Texas is doing somthing better and stop denying the obvious for partisan reasons. However, as a “peace loving man” you couldn’t live in Texas. Texans (Texians?) believe the opposite of war is slavery, not peace. That fact has yet to penetrate your skull. Besides, they “pack heat” so they must be bad people.

    Don’t Mess With Texas. That was a great anti-littering campaign because it personified Texas on so many levels.

  20. “Apparently those problems are not as “serious” as you make them out to be or people wouldn’t be flocking to Texas from all those failing liberal led states, now would they?”

    True, but this just indicates how bad the quality of life is elsewhere,
    due to Wall Street crimes and Republican malfeasance, that folks would chose to move to TX for relief, considering some of the serious problems TX has, as mentioned previously.

  21. “Seems they feel the ability to be free from a parasitic tax and spend liberal shit hole a better alternative for themselves, their families and their businesses.”

    Right, exactly what Republicans freely did during the Cheney/Bush years. I’m glad your are finely facing up to the facts, Hoagie. President Obama’s centrist policies have been an attempt to bring sanity back into our system of government, only to be castigated by the likes of you!

  22. “… freedom, independence, low taxes, fewer regulations and a government that appreciates it’s citizenry and dosen’t spend eavery waking hour trying to figure out how to screw the taxpayer.”

    I like freedom, low taxes, and fewer regulations too, but not when powerful people use these tools to screw our middle class, which is exactly what has happened.

    Take Mitt Romney, who has now been caught in a massive lie, claiming he left Bain Capital in 1999, when he continued on as CEO until 2002, during which time he made tens of millions while screwing the workers whose jobs he outsourced, even to China.

    And this man believes himself to be qualified/suitable to be our next President. Please, stop this sh*t right now!

  23. “True, but this just indicates how bad the quality of life is elsewhere,
    due to Wall Street crimes and Republican malfeasance, that folks would chose to move to TX for relief,”

    Do you realize how absolutely insane you sound when you write something like that? So because of all those evil Republicans people choose to move to a Republican state? Think about that. That’s why we can’t have a reasonable talk with you, you broke your logic bone and it never healed.

  24. “If you were really in search of the truth you would acknowledge Texas is doing somthing better and stop denying the obvious for partisan reasons. However, as a “peace loving man” you couldn’t live in Texas. Texans (Texians?) believe the opposite of war is slavery, not peace. That fact has yet to penetrate your skull. Besides, they “pack heat” so they must be bad people.”

    I credited TX for their job creation, but I could hardly honor them for having 25% of their population without health insurance, having by far the largest number of death penalties in the free world, and spending tens of millions to upgrade the Governor’s mansion when teachers are being fired and school budgets are experiencing draconian cuts. With lower oil prices impacting the state revenues negatively, let us see what happens with their job creation. And let us see if TX follows through with rejecting the federal medicaid expansion, as they claim now that they will do. I don’t believe Gov Perry on this, not for one second!

  25. “Do you realize how absolutely insane you sound when you write something like that? So because of all those evil Republicans people choose to move to a Republican state? Think about that. That’s why we can’t have a reasonable talk with you, you broke your logic bone and it never healed.”

    The insane, Hoagie, are those like yourself who have continued to be unwilling to admit to the egregious mistakes made by Republican policy makers at the federal level, which produced our Great Recession, which President Obama continues work on restoring our quality of life. I said nothing on this at the TX state level, although in this time period TX produced the corruption of Tom DeLay, a disgrace not only to TX, but also to the House of Representatives.

  26. Wagonwheel, do you assert Mitt Romney’s company outsourced jobs like Obama outsourced energy jobs and our tax money to Mexico, Denmark, China and Canada? Or do you mean he outsourced jobs like Obama outsourced his bus to a Canadian manufacturer? ( again with OUR tax money) Cause anything Bain did it did with their own money, not ours! But that POS Obama takes our tax money to manufacture electric car batteries in China.

    And you’re gonna need some credible citations for that assertion. And I don’t mean the HuffPo.

  27. The “egregious mistakes” you mention at the federal level were perpetrated by Frank, Dodd and the head of Fannie/Freddie and the Federal reserve, all Democrats! So stop the lieing and face the truth. And the moron in the White House is incapable of doing a damn thing because he’s void of any business or economic experience, like you. You’d rather follow a socialist community organizer off the cliff than have a businessman reorganize our government priorities and get us on the road to growth again. You leftist clowns have had your way since 2006, now get out of our way and let the grown ups fix your mess.

  28. “Wagonwheel, do you assert Mitt Romney’s company outsourced jobs like Obama outsourced energy jobs and our tax money to Mexico, Denmark, China and Canada? Or do you mean he outsourced jobs like Obama outsourced his bus to a Canadian manufacturer? ( again with OUR tax money) Cause anything Bain did it did with their own money, not ours! But that POS Obama takes our tax money to manufacture electric car batteries in China.

    And you’re gonna need some credible citations for that assertion. And I don’t mean the HuffPo.”

    Hoagie, you are confused: I am talking about outsourcing jobs, not money. And by the way, I have not used HuffPo as a source in this discussion, so why bring up that red herring. Regarding all your other non-relevant stuff, I am unaware of it. But you are using all this as a diversion from Romney’s well known outsourcing of jobs, to China as well. This man Romney is not a patriot.

    And by the way, with current tax brackets at 10%,15%,25%,25%,28%,33%, and 35%, please explain to me how Romney got by with paying 13%. Moreover, 13% is even lower than the tax rate on dividends, now at 15%. It doesn’t have anything to do with off-shore bank accounts, does it? There’s something you know quite a bit about, Hoagie.

    Mitt Romney is not a patriot, in terms of his behavior in doing anything to maximizing profits, even when that means out-sourcing American jobs. You Republicans are running a deeply flawed, flip-flopping candidate, quite a contrast to our current President who has been vilified unmercifully by his political opponents, people like you Hoagie, when he has mightily striven to clean up your messes.

  29. John Hitchcock says:
    July 12, 2012 at 00:34

    Quoting an article JournoLister Ezra Klein wrote in August of 2011. Cute. Little does Perry know that the Budget process was completed, without raising taxes.

    Let’s see if you get an acknowledgement and an apology from Perry.

  30. “The “egregious mistakes” you mention at the federal level were perpetrated by Frank, Dodd and the head of Fannie/Freddie and the Federal reserve, all Democrats! So stop the lieing and face the truth. And the moron in the White House is incapable of doing a damn thing because he’s void of any business or economic experience, like you. You’d rather follow a socialist community organizer off the cliff than have a businessman reorganize our government priorities and get us on the road to growth again. You leftist clowns have had your way since 2006, now get out of our way and let the grown ups fix your mess.”

    Yeah, Hoagie, that’s your usual rhetoric, but you forget that your party was in complete control of all branches of government. So your attempts to avoid accountability is actually laughable, if not really sad. You like to portray yourselves as rugged individualists, even to the point of outwardly packing heat like the cowards you are, when the real truth is that you are reticent about stepping up to the truth, then cooperating by doing something to rectify your errors and help those who have suffered because of them. Instead, your party has spent 3.5 years obfuscating Congress and the President.

    How any thinking American can even consider giving power back to you un-patriots is well beyond my reasoning and logical fact-based mind, thus is beyond my comprehension!

  31. Instead, your party has spent 3.5 years obfuscating Congress and the President.

    You probably meant to say “obstructing” which would not be true either; but, having read my indictment of your duplicitous response to the “depraved” issue, the word “obfuscating” lodged in your mind.

  32. Perry says,

    “You like to portray yourselves as rugged individualists, even to the point of outwardly packing heat like the cowards you are, when the real truth is …”

    Why does “packing heat” make Hoagie or any other lawfully behaving citizen a coward?

  33. Once again with the “coward” and “un-patriot”? You got nothin’ else? Well, I guess you made your point, no new ideas, no logical reply so just let the name calling begin.

    You know I always carry a licensed firearm Wagonwheel, but exactly how does that make me a coward? When I lived in San Antonio I sometimes wore a gunbelt straped to my leg, and a boot gun, and a two shot derringer belt bucle. Did the “man of peace” just faint?

    As much as I’d love to sit here and watch DNW rip you a new one Wagonwheel, since June’s in New York on business my friend Cory is coming over and we’re gonna take the Vette to lunch at Mad Mex. TTFN. ( Go for it DNW ).

  34. Perry has overstayed his welcome

    with his off-topic, hate-filled, dishonest rantings and ravings. As he was never officially permitted to comment in this thread, and as he was duly warned, his rejection of propriety has left him officially precluded from further commenting.

    All further Perry comments in this thread will be fully deleted.

  35. As much as I’d love to sit here and watch DNW rip you a new one Wagonwheel, since June’s in New York on business my friend Cory is coming over and we’re gonna take the Vette to lunch at Mad Mex. TTFN. ( Go for it DNW ).

    I had dropped off commenting for a while since it seemed pointless; merely contributing to sending this blog the way of the last one.

    However, although I pretty much knew the outcome before I began, I decided to give trying to understand the operations of Perry’s moral evaluation filter, one last shot.

    That could resolve once and for all – after three years of accumulating prior evidence – whether there is any sense in trying to communicate with Perry on fundamental questions of life and value and social costs, or whether, in accord with all previous appearances, one is in effect trying to reason with an appetite-machine on a kind of autopilot; a machine having no real self-reflective or justifying consciousness at all, but merely a system that notifies it to appropriate more and pursue more ccontrol while continuing on in the same direction , or to pause momentarily.

    Now, with a nod to our host, I fully understand that ultimate philosophical questions may be in some sense unresolvable. But one would think that getting to the workings of any given evaluation process, that is to say, examining the structure of the system of inferences rather than trying to establish the ultimate truth-value of any given axiom or premiss, would not be.

    For example, we don’t need to know whether in fact all spiders and only spiders have eight legs, in order to evaluate the validity, if not the soundness, of an argument asserting that if Perry has eight legs, then he is a spider.

    So, we should be able to easily trace out Perry’s reasoning process when he presents moral claims or makes value judgments, without knowing whether for example, a radically subjectivist tending relativism is a true description of the ultimate human reality or not.

    All we need to do is to determine what – largely metaphorically speaking – Perry’s minor premiss is, and get him to admit to it.

    But he won’t. In fact it doesn’t seem that words even have any consistent meaning when you are “communicating” with him. It’s more like talking to a machine, than to a man.

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  36. “would think that getting to the workings of any given evaluation process, that is to say, examining the structure of the system of inferences rather than trying to establish the ultimate truth-value of any given axiom or premiss”

    I guess I mistakenly hit the “block quote” button instead of the “bold” button.

  37. due to Wall Street crimes

    Proof, please

    and Republican malfeasance

    Proof, please. Oh, who am I kidding, you don’t HAVE any proof, just lies and innuendo as usual.

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    Thanks have a good weekend.

    I have a couple of fun (not actually facetious here) days of brush hogging ahead a couple hundred miles north.

  39. I see I have responded to an attack on me by Perry, and attack which you have already deleted. Fair enough. If my response disappears too, so be it …

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