“The judge can rule against us, but I don’t know how to pay the money.”

When you’re broke, you’re broke!

Scranton mayor to pay city workers minimum wage despite judge ordering him not to

BY DAVID SINGLETON (Times-Tribune Staff Writer)
Published: July 5, 2012

Mayor Chris Doherty said today he will go forward with paying hundreds of city employees minimum wage despite a Lackawanna County judge hours earlier temporarily shooting down his plan.

According to city officials, there will only be enough money to meet the minimum-wage payroll when the checks go out tomorrow.

After a short hearing this morning, Judge Michael Barrasse granted a special injunction sought by the police, fire and public works unions to block imposition of the administration’s plan, which would have cut employee wages to $7.25 an hour while the city deals with its ever-deepening financial crisis.

Mr. Doherty said he respects Judge Barrasse’s perspective, but the city does not have the cash to meet the full payroll.

“The judge can rule against us, but I don’t know how to pay the money,” he said.

If the money isn’t there, then the money isn’t there. Assuming that Mayor Doherty’s statements are correct, there is enough money in city accounts to pay everyone if they are paid at the minimum wage, but if they are paid their full rates, some of the checks will bounce . . . or just not get written at all. Since it’s a felony to knowingly write rubber checks, there are only three options:

  1. Write full paychecks, based upon either seniority, a lottery, or some other system, up to the point at which the money runs out;
  2. Write partial paychecks, at the minimum wage, to all employees; or
  3. Not pay anybody.

The Mayor and the city Administration1 were trying to see to it that everybody got at least something, as in Option #2. Option #1 would be difficult to administer, and could never be administered fairly, which leaves only Option #3.

And that, of course, has to mean layoffs, and large numbers of layoffs.

The city government is arguing with the Business Administrator on how much taxes should be increased:

Scranton City Council’s ideas for raising alternative revenues and proposing much-lower tax increases than Mayor Chris Doherty has would still leave huge budget deficits, according to an analysis of council ideas by city Business Adminstrator Ryan McGowan.

But council President Janet Evans claimed Mr. McGowan used some inaccurate numbers, and the council is preparing a response.

Council and mayor have been sharply divided over revising an Act 47 recovery plan the mayor says wary banks are requiring before they would consider again providing financing needed to keep the city afloat this year.

In May, Mr. Doherty proposed a recovery plan that contains a 78% tax increase over the next three years. The council has balked at such large tax hikes and wants to offset them by maximizing alternative sources of revenues, such as contributions from nonprofits, and commuter, payroll and sales taxes. The mayor has countered that alternative revenues won’t raise enough money and won’t occur quickly.

One thing is obvious: a 78% local tax increase isn’t anything which should be labeled a “recovery plan” by anybody. There are a lot of poor people in Scranton, people who are just making ends meet, and a near-doubling of their local taxes will be beyond their means.

And “commuter, payroll and sales tax” increases will simply encourage new businesses, and perhaps some older ones, to locate outside of the city limits. Some businesses will be location-dependent, and cannot move, but there will be many which could simply be a block outside of the city line, not lose customers and business at all, and gain a competitive advantage on prices and employees.
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  1. Mayor Doherty and all five city councilmen are Democrats.

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  1. The Editors notation: “Mayor Doherty and all five city councilmen are Democrats”

    Really? I’m stunned! And a Nevada geothermal company touted by Harry Reid is going under with almost 100 million of our tax money. And Obama begins his “Betting on American” tour in his million dollar bus to point out how Romney outsourced jobs at Baine. Oh yeah, Obamas bus was built in Canada!

    BTW, what the hell is “Betting on American” anyway? Perhaps he means American under his leadership is a freekin’ gamble at best! Seems the only people betting on America and winning are Hollywood leftists, union leaders on vacation in Hawaii, green companies going out of business and crony capitalists on Wall Street and in Detroit who Obama just keeps bailing out. Us guys in the middle get things like Obamataxcare while those mentioned above PLUS our government leaders, well, they’re exempt dontchaknow?

    But seeing another Democrat run city going down the drain is always a hoot. I guess it’s once again time to “tax the rich” to bail them out too. Must be those greedy rich guys who keep spending themselves into oblivion using failed soicialist ideology.

  2. The problem is that you folks, I too, have abandoned our cities for the suburbs, leaving them to try to take care of the poor and downtrodden. Our continuing racist prejudices, lingering on from out centuries old racist practices, are a factor in our pullout as well. So Hoagie, your rhetoric is full of sh*t, that’s what it is, as usual!

  3. “But seeing another Democrat run city going down the drain is always a hoot.”

    Where are your priorities, Hoagie. Nevermind, they are as clear as can be: YOU, period!

    It is worthwhile that the major cities of Europe, for example, of what you and yours refer to as “Socialist”, have been preserved much better than ours. What is your response now!

  4. So Hoagie, your rhetoric is full of sh*t, that’s what it is, as usual!

    More mean spirited talk from the Man of Mush.

    Seriously, Perry, why must you always engage in thse personal attacks? Dana is nice to you and assumes your intentions are good, why do you never return the favor?

  5. Wagonwheel says:
    July 5, 2012 at 17:52

    The problem is that you folks, I too, have abandoned our cities for the suburbs, leaving them to try to take care of the poor and downtrodden. Our continuing racist prejudices, lingering on from out centuries old racist practices, are a factor in our pullout as well. So Hoagie, your rhetoric is full of sh*t, that’s what it is, as usual!

    That’s a pile of Bovine Feces Liberal Guilt. People are not going to live in cities where crime is plentiful. I escaped from Baltimore. As a kid, there were less than 3 digit murders a year, baby mommas weren’t the norm, there were intact families, and up to my mid teens you could go almost anywhere in a city of approximately 950K and feel safe. It was after the Lame Brain Jackass came into power and started the Great Society to rid the world of Poverty did things reverse itself for the worse. By the time I left in 74 murders tripled, drugs were normal baby mommas became a cottge indunstry since the gummint paid single bitches mommas more money for more illegitamate babies. Funny how private enterprise took the opposite view of bigger families was not a reason for more pay, but the Gummint paid well for single baby mommas. And of course, it was and still is a Democrat ruled shitty city.

  6. “But seeing another Democrat run city going down the drain is always a hoot.”

    Where are your priorities, Hoagie. Nevermind, they are as clear as can be: YOU, period!”

    My priorities are getting rid of scoundrels like y0ourself who ruin cities like locusts ruin crops. Your priorities are obviously socialist power over We The People.

    “It is worthwhile that the major cities of Europe, for example, of what you and yours refer to as “Socialist”, have been preserved much better than ours. What is your response now!”

    My response is go move to friggin Europe! Obviously their greedy socialists are better than ours, you’d love it there.

    “So Hoagie, your rhetoric is full of sh*t, that’s what it is, as usual!”

    Aah, the spirit of compassion reveals itself through Wagonwheel’s words. Or would that be the hypocracy of liberal compassion?

  7. WW wrote:

    The problem is that you folks, I too, have abandoned our cities for the suburbs, leaving them to try to take care of the poor and downtrodden. Our continuing racist prejudices, lingering on from out centuries old racist practices, are a factor in our pullout as well. So Hoagie, your rhetoric is full of sh*t, that’s what it is, as usual!

    As you admitted, you are living in luxury in Lewes, whilst your old neighborhood — Kensington? North Philadelphia? — is awash with poverty and crime. Was it racism that pushed you to leave, or was it seeking a better life?

    Of course, I grew up in a small town, and I’m in a small town now, so I is innocent of all accusations! :)

    One might ask why so many people have abandoned the cities for the suburbs. Maybe this picture, from Girard Avenue, a couple of blocks from the Philadelphia Zoo, will explain it:

    Now, what did you see? You saw a run down, virtually abandoned set of row homes, probable crack houses, mostly uninhabitable. But, if you looked closely, you also saw six houses, jammed up against each other, without a blade of grass — other than what grows between the cracks in the sidewalk — and no good place to bring up your children, no room to run and play and enjoy being a kid without getting run over by a Buick. Maybe, just maybe, some people had reasons to move to the suburbs that didn’t involve racism.

  8. Wow, on this thread we pointed out the Democrat socialist policies are ruining our cities and Wagonwheels reply was to attack me. On the other thread we pointed out the Democrat socialist policies are ruining the nation and Wagonwheel’s response was to attack the Editor’s religion. Guess I’m in good company.

    The Editor and I can feel the love and compassion!

  9. “Our continuing racist prejudices, lingering on from out centuries old racist practices, are a factor in our pullout as well.”

    Continuing prejudices? We’re talking Scranton, PA in 2012, not Birmingham, AL in 1862 lead by racist, secessionist Democrat slave owners! You know it just occured to me that even back in 1862 the Democrats were still living of the misery of black Americans. They just swapped the plantation of the South for the plantation of the welfare state.

    And speak for yourself as to why you left Philadelphia. I left to go to Nam and when I returned I lived in Northeast Philly at Grant and Bustleton so I could get to school in Jersey without driving an extra hour just to get out of a congested Center City (where my parents still lived).

  10. Ww wrote:

    The problem is that you folks, I too, have abandoned our cities for the suburbs, leaving them to try to take care of the poor and downtrodden. Our continuing racist prejudices, lingering on from out centuries old racist practices, are a factor in our pullout as well. So Hoagie, your rhetoric is full of sh*t, that’s what it is, as usual!

    Perhaps the problem is that the cities are “try(ing) to take care of the poor and downtrodden.” Sixty years ago we had a lot more urban crowding, but the people living in the cities were expected to do something really radical like work for a living. Now, in the great liberal compassion of the Democrats who run so many of our big cities, all that they can do is to raise taxes — note Scranton’s plans above, and Philadelphia just passed a budget which increases taxes — and they are driving people and businesses out. Why start a business in Philadelphia, and pay a big use and occupancy tax, when you can build it in Hatboro, and save money?

    The problem for the Democrats? They don’t know what to do! Their ideology leads them to:

    • spend more and more money on social programs,
    • which means higher and higher taxes,
    • which drives out more and more actual taxpaying citizens,
    • which forces the closure of more and more businesses,
    • which means fewer and fewer jobs,
    • which means more and more poverty,
    • which means they have to spend more and more money on social programs.

    Great plan, huh?

  11. ED:
    which means they have to spend more and more money on social programs.

    If the city was a real business, they lose on every investment to make business work and be stronger.

    A business pays an employee and in essence, a return for that pay in whatever product is made. A city “investing” (almost breaking my own fingers to type this) in welfare gets zero, or sub-zero for its investment.

  12. “Great plan, huh?”

    What’s your plan, Mr Editor?

    For that matter, what is the Republican plan for our big cities?

    The Republicans have abandoned many of our big cities, contrary to the Europeans, for example, who have cherished their inner cities, as anyone, I included, have personally experienced.

    I think that it is true to say that over time Republicans have tended to run away from problems instead of standing up to them.

    This tendency reached a peak once President Obama took office, faced with a do-nothing Republican Party, in the early months of a Great Recession, no less.

    And yes, my 77 years on this planet suggest strongly to me that racism is indeed part of the problem. I’ve lived through more than any of you Rightie commenters on this blog, many of the early ones before the landmark SCOTUS decisions which began to force racism away from government policy, and the Generation of the Great Society programs.

    In my lifetime, starting with FDR and the beginning of the social safety nets, through Johnson, Clinton, and now Obama, it has always been the Dems who have initiated these major changes, while Republicans to this day are in opposition to anything progressive for the people of the United States.

    Moreover, Republicans carry forward stereotypes from the days of slavery and segregation, to the point where we still find you Republican folks on here assuming sloth among the poor, when not a one of you have yet given any evidence whatsoever. This is your modern day racism, and it really stinks a lot.

    Time for you folks to get up to speed, face reality, disgorge your myths, and work together with us to move this nation forward. You people are like a lead weight slowing down progress; moreover, it is getting pretty late to start moving forward, together.

    Reading assignment: The Culture Wars Are Over and Republicans Lost, by Jonathan Alter

  13. Let me correct this for you, Mr Editor:

    “The problem for the Democrats? Republicans: They don’t know what to do! Their ideology leads them to:

    spend more and more money on social programs,
    which means [we should have] higher and higher taxes,
    which drives out more and more actual taxpaying citizens [to offshore tax havens],
    which forces the closure outsourcing of more and more businesses,
    which means fewer and fewer jobs,
    which means more and more poverty,
    which means they [should] have to spend more and more money on social programs.
    Great plan, huh?”

    I’m sure you will approve of my corrections, since they more closely represent reality. But wait, you have never desired reality! Oh well!

  14. “As you admitted, you are living in luxury in Lewes, whilst your old neighborhood — Kensington? North Philadelphia? — is awash with poverty and crime. Was it racism that pushed you to leave, or was it seeking a better life?”

    West Philly it was: 45th and Osage Ave.

    It was both racism and seeking a better life, by my parents, since I was 14 y/o at the time.

  15. What’s your plan, Mr Editor?

    For that matter, what is the Republican plan for our big cities?

    There goes Perry with that age-old lie of his. It’s the exact same lie that Delaware Libertarian absolutely shredded Perry over, waaaaaay back in early 2009. And Perry has been marching on with that lie waving atop his guidon ever since.

  16. Typical. Our liberal from Lewes sees an irrefutable set of points which indicate why the inner cities are in trouble, he just tries to blame someone else.

    Outsourcing? You don’t outsource a pizza shop; when the people move away, it just closes for lack of customers.

  17. What’s your plan, Mr Editor?

    For that matter, what is the Republican plan for our big cities?

    There goes Perry with that age-old lie of his. It’s the exact same lie that Delaware Libertarian absolutely shredded Perry over, waaaaaay back in early 2009. And Perry has been marching on with that lie waving atop his guidon ever since.

    They were both questions, not statements. “Lie” is your favorite word, thus meaningless, as you assign yourself to be the ultimate Judge. It is not working, John, except in your own pointed head!

  18. “Typical. Our liberal from Lewes sees an irrefutable set of points which indicate why the inner cities are in trouble, he just tries to blame someone else.

    Outsourcing? You don’t outsource a pizza shop; when the people move away, it just closes for lack of customers.”

    I contrasted the behavior and attitude of Europeans toward their cities compared to ours, such that the proof is there for anyone to see. Do you disagree? So we are all to blame, but at least the Dems have stepped up to the problems of our inner cities, with virtually no support from you Repubs, as you would rather deny your culpability, in which racism has been a factor through the years, and still is! The better solution is to put up barriers, correct?

    We Americans are exceptional all right, for both good and evil, but we tend to overlook the latter, since it is so much easier to brush it all under the rug, out of sight, out of mind!

  19. WW wrote:

    For that matter, what is the Republican plan for our big cities?

    Have you ever seen the movie, Escape from New York? :)

    The Republicans have abandoned many of our big cities, contrary to the Europeans, for example, who have cherished their inner cities, as anyone, I included, have personally experienced.

    The Europeans have a different culture than ours, and can do as they please. Further, the population density in Europe made seeking wider, open spaces far less of an option. And Europeans have been paying absolutely ridiculous prices for gasoline and diesel fuel, further restricting their options.

    I think that it is true to say that over time Republicans have tended to run away from problems instead of standing up to them.

    You want to blame Republicans as much as you can, but the more productive people moved away from the cities, seeking, as you called it, “a better life.” That wasn’t some evil Republican plot, but the decisions taken by millions of individuals and families, many of them — like yours — Democrats.

    And yes, my 77 years on this planet suggest strongly to me that racism is indeed part of the problem. I’ve lived through more than any of you Rightie commenters on this blog, many of the early ones before the landmark SCOTUS decisions which began to force racism away from government policy, and the Generation of the Great Society programs.

    In my lifetime, starting with FDR and the beginning of the social safety nets, through Johnson, Clinton, and now Obama, it has always been the Dems who have initiated these major changes, while Republicans to this day are in opposition to anything progressive for the people of the United States.

    You can blame racism all you want, but maybe you had better look at the Democratic initiated “progressive” programs and ask a simple question: have they actually worked? President Clinton’s main contribution was to sign a mostly Republican bill, limiting the time that any individual could spend on welfare, which was the right thing to do, and something we should never have abandoned.

    But the Great Society? Did it end poverty, or is poverty still with us? Affirmative Action? Is the black dropout rate lower today? Conservatives oppose what you call “progressive” because it doesn’t work!

  20. They were both questions, not statements.

    They were both questions based on “you understood” statements. But you already knew that. And that “you understood” statement is absolutely a lie. One that Delaware Libertarian called you out on in early 2009, and one that you have used constantly ever since.

  21. From Delaware Libertarian, March 3, 2009:

    Comment rescues: Perry and the eternal question: where is the opposition plan?

    You’d think, viewing the world through the perspective of these comments, that we have a modern Diogenes, replete with lantern, looking for someone who will rise above petty politics and offer an alternative to the trillions and trillions of dollars of spending to prop up an economic system that is horribly broken with strategies that worked (or not) seventy years ago in a world without FDIC, OPEC, WWW, NATO, EEC, and lots of other letters besides WPA, NRA, or CCC…

    You’d think that nobody has offered information from reputable economists, or proposed alternative measures.

    The funny thing is that Perry knows this isn’t true.

    So not only has an alternative been offered here, Perry, you went on record as agreeing with substantial parts of it–even though you seem to have … forgotten that part.

    You have offered engaging insights and shown the willingness to admit that part of President Obama’s plan is a massive gamble with our future.

    And you’re certainly free to disagree with anything we offer.

    But please, stop suggesting that libertarians here have not been discussing solutions[.]

    So yes, Perry, you have been pushing the very same lie across multiple websites since at least February of 2009 and most likely before. And you have been called out on that lie of yours since at least March of 2009 and most likely before.

  22. The Democrat Party, the party of slavery, Jim Crow, KKK Byrd, Lester Maddox, Orval Faubus, and George Wallace fought against the Republican President who freed the slaves.

    These days the Democrat Party has changed their methods, instead of the whip and chains of yesterday, it’s the welfare check, food stamps, rent subsidies, free cell phones, and unemployment benefits which keep ‘em down now and make sure they show up to vote their benevolent masters back into office so the gravy train can keep on chuggin’ along.

    That’s as long as they don’t run out of other people’s money.

  23. WW wrote:

    In my lifetime, starting with FDR and the beginning of the social safety nets, through Johnson, Clinton, and now Obama, it has always been the Dems who have initiated these major changes, while Republicans to this day are in opposition to anything progressive for the people of the United States.

    As noted above, we are opposed to what you label “progressive” because it just doesn’t work.

    But conservatives, though a larger group than liberals, are still a minority. To win elections, you need a majority, or at least a strong plurality if there are third party candidates running. There is a significant mass of voters who are not wedded to either the Democrats or the Republicans, but are mostly concerned with what actually works. If the liberal proposals had actually worked, the Democrats would be winning the votes of their own party, of their liberal base, and the votes of the people who really care most about what works. After nearly fifty years of the “Great Society” and Affirmative Action and all of those other Democratic social programs you have touted, we conservatives ought to have been completely marginalized electorally . . . if those programs had actually worked.

    Instead, Republicans have made substantial gains in the various state governments, and have taken control of the House of Representatives. The election is still four months away, and anything can happen, but most projections have the GOP keeping the House, and having a better than even shot to take control of the Senate. Right now, President Obama is slightly ahead of Mitt Romney in the presidential race, but the President is about to take another hit in the polls, with the latest unemployment numbers. None of that would be happening, if your policies had actually worked.

    Y’all staked a big throw on the recall election in Wisconsin, and a lot of people in the Dairy State really didn’t like what Governor Walker and the legislature did regarding the public employee unions. But the Governor and legislature did exactly what they promised: they took a large projected deficit, and balanced the state budget without raising taxes. The voters retained Governor Walker for one reason: what he did worked!

    There was no recall election here in the Keystone State, but, now that we have a Republican governor, and Republicans control both Houses of the state legislature, we took a big step by doing the same thing, balancing the state budget in the face of a looming deficit, without raising taxes. What the GOP did worked!

  24. Keep talkin’ Wagonwheel. Todays headlines:

    Only 80,000 jobs added in June.
    1/3 at temp agencies.
    85,000 went on disability.
    Broad jobless rate at 14.9%.
    Black unemployment at 14.4%.
    Hispanic rate at 11%.
    780,000 fewer WOMEN employed.

    Obama says: ” This is a step in the right direction…”
    Romney says: “It dosen’t have to be this way…”

    The Democrats have ruined every city they’ve run, every state they rule and now are destroying the entire country. They are incapable of trying anything new and only understand the welfare and dependence state. They are basically slavers. It’s time for a new American Revolution.

  25. “Keep talkin’ Wagonwheel. Todays headlines:

    Only 80,000 jobs added in June.
    1/3 at temp agencies.
    85,000 went on disability.
    Broad jobless rate at 14.9%.
    Black unemployment at 14.4%.
    Hispanic rate at 11%.
    780,000 fewer WOMEN employed.

    Obama says: ” This is a step in the right direction…”
    Romney says: “It dosen’t have to be this way…””

    Oh I understand that you and your party are cheering this good news for a Republican grab of power. It is the usual, Party and power are the top priorities, the country be damned!

    Your party made the mess we are in, then you don’t take responsibility for it, and worst of all, you do nothing to lead our country out. I think many American voters understand this very well. I am hoping that they will be in the majority come election time. We’ll see.

    In the meantime, go ahead and cheer this news, as you underline your lack of patriotism again and again, Hoagie John!

    And note well the continuation of your dirty tricks to win: Voter Suppression. Here is today’s headline about what is going on in PA: Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Threatens To Disenfranchise Nearly 10 Percent Of State’s Voters

    Isn’t our democracy what you thought you were fighting for in Nam, Hoagie? Now you oppose that same value. This turnaround of yours is actually turning you against yourself. I suggest you give this a little more thought, assuming you can get out there past your obnoxious self-centered ideology! Do you think you can do this, Hoagie?

  26. “You can blame racism all you want, but maybe you had better look at the Democratic initiated “progressive” programs and ask a simple question: have they actually worked? President Clinton’s main contribution was to sign a mostly Republican bill, limiting the time that any individual could spend on welfare, which was the right thing to do, and something we should never have abandoned.

    But the Great Society? Did it end poverty, or is poverty still with us? Affirmative Action? Is the black dropout rate lower today? Conservatives oppose what you call “progressive” because it doesn’t work!”

    At least the Dems attempt to help people out of poverty by emphasizing education and job training, and providing the basic essentials of life. But no, poverty has not ended.

    We Dems certainly do not subscribe to your solution: Let them rot and die. Yet you still claim to be a Roman Catholic, steeped in the teachings of the religion, whose Pope supports programs just like the Dems. If you cannot support the Pope’s encyclicals, you ought to leave the Church, Mr Editor, else remain a hypocrite within the Church. How can you live with yourself in this double-life manner of yours, void of consistency?

  27. “So yes, Perry, you have been pushing the very same lie across multiple websites since at least February of 2009 and most likely before. And you have been called out on that lie of yours since at least March of 2009 and most likely before.”

    And exactly what is the lie, John? Oh I know, by your definition it is any statement with which you disagree. You have no concept of what a lie actually is, which explains your frequent use of that particular epithet, when you disagree!

    Do you remember when you said this, John?

    “Sandra Fluck (phonetic spelling) has made it known that she is promiscuous in her Flucking habits. That makes her, at best, a slut. The fact that she wants me to pay for her Flucking habits makes her, at best, a slut who wants to become a whore. And what is a whore? That is a person who makes others pay for his/her flucking, which is exactly what Sandra Fluck (phonetic spelling) is attempting to do. She is a slut attempting to become a whore. And she wants the whole nation to pay for her whorring around.

    “Tough titty” said the kitty when the milk ran dry.

    Sandra Fluck (phonetic spelling) made her bed.
    Sandra Fluck (phonetic spelling) slept in her bed with who knows how many others.
    Sandra Fluck (phonetic spelling) needs to clean her own encrusted sheets and not demand others do it for her.

    She wants to be a slut? It’s a free country (but becoming less free day by day as Leftists trash the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution). She can be a slut if she wants to. But since she is trying to become a whore, I say no! I will not pay for her whore services!

    Besides, I seriously doubt her family is proud of her. I seriously doubt they would call her a good Fluck (phonetic spelling) with all her sleeping around and trying to get paid for it.

    Sandra Fluke never said a word about her sex life, nor anything about getting the public to pay for it. But to an ogre, allegedly a devout Christian like yourself John, this is the treatment she gets. Moreover, this is a real lie!!! Please join John’s religion, folks. Can’t you see how much good his faith has built character?

  28. “It was both racism and seeking a better life, by my parents, since I was 14 y/o at the time.”

    How old were you then, when you moved back to lay your body on the altar of your own collectivist ideology?

  29. WW wrote:

    “You can blame racism all you want, but maybe you had better look at the Democratic initiated “progressive” programs and ask a simple question: have they actually worked? President Clinton’s main contribution was to sign a mostly Republican bill, limiting the time that any individual could spend on welfare, which was the right thing to do, and something we should never have abandoned.

    But the Great Society? Did it end poverty, or is poverty still with us? Affirmative Action? Is the black dropout rate lower today? Conservatives oppose what you call “progressive” because it doesn’t work!”

    At least the Dems attempt to help people out of poverty by emphasizing education and job training, and providing the basic essentials of life. But no, poverty has not ended.

    This has to constitute the biggest whine of all: but we tried to help!

    And that’s exactly right: you tried to help. You thought that you were doing the right thing, the noble thing, the kind thing, but none of that matters, because your programs didn’t work! The noblest of intentions and the kindest of hearts are no substitute for success.

    We Dems certainly do not subscribe to your solution: Let them rot and die. Yet you still claim to be a Roman Catholic, steeped in the teachings of the religion, whose Pope supports programs just like the Dems. If you cannot support the Pope’s encyclicals, you ought to leave the Church, Mr Editor, else remain a hypocrite within the Church. How can you live with yourself in this double-life manner of yours, void of consistency?

    It might be cruel, but hunger has a rather unique way of concentrating the mind. It might not be soft and nice, but having no home points rather directly to the need to get your ass in gear. The Pope is a great man, but he is advocating policies which do not work! Like you, the Pope is a kind man, and he wants to see suffering alleviated, but the policies of the left do not fix anything; they might make things hurt a little less, but they don’t fix the problems.

    Our poverty problem is like a giant toothache. You, in your goodness and sympathy, want to give the patient some Demerol, so it won’t hurt so badly, but what the patient really needs is a root canal. That root canal is going to hurt, period, but it has the virtue of actually fixing the problem.

    The Gospels tell us about several instances where someone who was blind or crippled or lame, all of them beggars, who went to see our LORD, hoping and praying for a cure. Jesus healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, and enabled the lame to walk . . . all of which gave them a chance to actually work for a living. Had the LORD done things your way, they’d have remained blind or crippled or lame, but would have been blessed with a magic, ever-filling begging bowl.

  30. WW quotes the headline:

    And note well the continuation of your dirty tricks to win: Voter Suppression. Here is today’s headline about what is going on in PA: Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Threatens To Disenfranchise Nearly 10 Percent Of State’s Voters

    The illegal and the dead most seriously hurt.

  31. “Please join John’s religion, folks. Can’t you see how much good his faith has built character?”

    I don’t know that I want to join John’s religion just yet. Not while I am still having so much fun, and experiencing the freedom of applying the reductionist principles and deconstructive formulas which liberals apply to all the rest of humanity, to them in particular.

    Because when you don their Magic Progressive Vision Improving Spectacles, and then gaze at them through their own world revealing lenses it’s amazing what you see: soulless flesh machines; meat computers; temporary, intrinsically meaningless energy systems, deploying Darwinian appropriation strategies in order to secure themselves a comfortable roost on the backs of an unwilling host population.

    No wonder these liberals and progressives are so intent on enshrining their ability to offload the costs of their autogenic disabilities on to others through the force of laws – based on nothing more than mere fiat and threat.

    They need to get it all into law, and to have an all encompassing done-deal in place before too many other people use their special glasses to see them as they see the world, and recognize the “progressive” thing for what it really is.

  32. “You thought that you were doing the right thing, the noble thing, the kind thing, but none of that matters …”

    Apparently they thought it was a nobler thing to wait until everyone was compelled to do it, before they lay their own bodies on the line.

    Otherwise Perry would be living in the old neighborhood right now rather than seeking safety and shelter among suburbanites he partly despises, and further tries to annoy by mowing his grass on their holy days.

  33. “It might be cruel, but hunger has a rather unique way of concentrating the mind. It might not be soft and nice, but having no home points rather directly to the need to get your ass in gear. The Pope is a great man, but he is advocating policies which do not work! Like you, the Pope is a kind man, and he wants to see suffering alleviated, but the policies of the left do not fix anything; they might make things hurt a little less, but they don’t fix the problems.”

    I thought your Pope was supposed to be the intermediary between you, the layfolk, and your God?

    I guess now that you select what you like, even when it comes to a many centuries old religion.

    Of course I will quarrel with you about whether the social programs of the Dems have worked. Certainly they have worked, as, for example, we see more folks freeing themselves from poverty, with the assistance of the government, like the Affirmative Action program you folks hate so much. In fact, since the decade of the major social programs for the poor, the ’60′s, in two generations, we have seen many remarkable minorities able to achieve success. But there remains a lot yet to do.

    Regarding your oft repeated claim that Dem programs do not work, it is the Repub programs which do not work, as seen here again.

  34. “The illegal and the dead most seriously hurt.”

    Where are your statistics, Mr Editor, showing that 10% of Pennsylvania voters are fraudlent? Other than a few anecdotes, you dirty tricker Repubs have yet to make a case with real data!

  35. “How old were you then, when you moved back to lay your body on the altar of your own collectivist ideology?”

    Wow, D-NW The Great has descended from on high, to propagate more of his deficatory, defamatory, demagoguery!

  36. Sandra Fluke never said a word about her sex life, nor anything about getting the public to pay for it.

    That is a bald-faced lie, Perry. Since Sandra Fluck (phonetic spelling) DEMANDED everyone buy her birth control paraphernalia.

  37. Wow, D-NW The Great has descended from on high, to propagate more of his deficatory, defamatory, demagoguery!

    High thee to a dictionary! Thou doest cause great injury to the language of thy birth, out of thine own ignorance!

  38. “Where are your statistics, Mr Editor, showing that 10% of Pennsylvania voters are fraudlent?”

    I don’t believe anyone is saying 10% of PA voters are fraudulent, just not properly registered. One cannot “disenfranchise” a legally registered, properly ID’d, legally American, non-felon, of-age voter. Unless they stuff the ballot box with dead people and illegal aliens like the Democrats do.

    “At least the Dems attempt to help people out of poverty by emphasizing education and job training, and providing the basic essentials of life.”

    They emphasize education but won’t allow their minions choice with vouchers since they may choose private schools and harm the unions. They advocate job training and set up revolving doors of training and public jobs to maintain their power over the poor. They provide the basic essentials by stealing other people’s money and by doling out just enough to keep the poor “hooked” and voting for Democrats. They offer free cell phones, day care, transportation and Medicaid. All from the wallets of other people and all for the insidious purpose of keeping the poor on the Democrat plantation. In short they manufacture “victims”, encourage sloth, establish an entitlement mentality and destroy the human spirit. They are the anti-American party. We need a revolution.

    They then stand back, hands on hips and say: Look what we Democrats do for you. We keep you in the worst schools and call it education. We train you for the easiest public jobs with no chance of private sector advancement. We give you free blocks of cheese! Keep pullin’ that Democrat lever.

  39. Theologian WW:
    I thought your Pope was supposed to be the intermediary between you, the layfolk, and your God?

    Nope, there are no rules prohibiting talking to the God of all people. Try it some day, it really works.

  40. Hoagie says:
    July 6, 2012 at 15:12

    “Where are your statistics, Mr Editor, showing that 10% of Pennsylvania voters are fraudlent?”

    I don’t believe anyone is saying 10% of PA voters are fraudulent, just not properly registered. One cannot “disenfranchise” a legally registered, properly ID’d, legally American, non-felon, of-age voter. Unless they stuff the ballot box with dead people and illegal aliens like the Democrats do.

    At the Presidential Primary, the person who registered me in to vote is a personal friend. I could not pass GO, until I produced a valid Gummint issued ID. I have two to choose from, so I showed her both.

  41. WW wrote:

    “The illegal and the dead most seriously hurt.”

    Where are your statistics, Mr Editor, showing that 10% of Pennsylvania voters are fraudlent? Other than a few anecdotes, you dirty tricker Repubs have yet to make a case with real data!

    Simply the fact that Democrats still win some elections is proof enough that vote fraud must have occurred. :)

    But it’s more obvious than that: the Democrats are unalterably opposed to anything which would make vote fraud more difficult, something which can have no motivation other than wishing to preserve a technique that they have used successfully in the past.

  42. WW wrote:

    Regarding your oft repeated claim that Dem programs do not work, it is the Repub programs which do not work, as seen here again.

    But we are — finally! — offering something new, we are offering a program of reduced spending, reduced and eventually ended deficits, getting away from the Democrats Lite years of spending too much. It is working on the state level, in Texas, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, in Indiana, and it will work on the national level. Oh, it might not be terribly pleasant, but it is what is needed, and we will, if we can get that program in place and stick with it, get our economy on a much sounder footing.

    What you want to do has not only not worked in the past, but it is unsustainable in the future, as even you have admitted. You cannot continue to buy indolence and sloth, you cannot continue to throw good money after bad, and you cannot continue on doing what you have always done and somehow expect a different result.

    Of course, there is no way to prove that a new program will be successful before it is implemented; the stimulus plan sure proved that! It is entirely possible that the Republican plans could fail, but we don’t know that yet. What we do know is that the Democrats’ policies have failed. If it’s a choice between might fail and has already failed, there really is no choice.

  43. Anyone who looked the other way and/or made excuses for the two Black Panther thugs dressed in black uniforms and wielding clubs outside the polls in Philadelphia during the 2008 elections has no standing, none at all, to complain about efforts to properly identify registered voters with picture ID cards.

    But, then, blatant hypocrisy doesn’t stop unprincipled Democrats who cheer when voter intimidation aids their side, then turn around denounce commonsense requirements that only legitimate registered voters be allowed access to the ballot box.

  44. Wagonwheel says:
    July 6, 2012 at 14:36

    “How old were you then, when you moved back to lay your body on the altar of your own collectivist ideology?”

    Wow, D-NW The Great has descended from on high, to propagate more of his deficatory, defamatory, demagoguery!

    Despite indicting – through implication and innuendo – others for similar actions, you had implied that despite your own flight from the city, you were personally absolved of the taint of racism because of your youth; your being only 14 years old.

    I merely asked how old you were before you proved that you were not a hypocritical closet racist yourself, by moving back to your old or a similar neighborhood. You have said here that you are now 77, and elsewhere that you have been a liberal for many years.

    We should then expect Perry, that given you fervor and your constant haranguing you put your own life on the line for your professed ideology some years ago.

    I can’t imagine why you should have become so defensive. I was only referring to your own standard, and asking when it was you corrected the effects of your parent’s racist flight from America’s oppressed.

    So Perry, when did you move back, and place yourself at risk?

  45. ropelight says:
    July 6, 2012 at 15:57

    Anyone who looked the other way and/or made excuses for the two Black Panther thugs dressed in black uniforms and wielding clubs outside the polls in Philadelphia during the 2008 elections has no standing, none at all, to complain about efforts to properly identify registered voters with picture ID cards.

    But, then, blatant hypocrisy doesn’t stop unprincipled Democrats who cheer when voter intimidation aids their side, then turn around denounce commonsense requirements that only legitimate registered voters be allowed access to the ballot box.

    I think that we can be confident that Perry has put his money, his personal welfare, and his very own domestic safety, where his considerable mouth is.

    For some reason though, Perry has been reluctant to this point to say exactly when it was that he moved back to the “old neighborhood”. That is, when Perry began proving that he was not a hypocritical coward and blowhard who sought to use other peoples’ children as sacrifices to the Moloch of his progressive political theory – while himself hiding among and seeking the protection of the very class of people he condemns out in the suburbs.

    I’m sure that he will finally clear this all up for us now that it has been pointed out to him.

  46. Aah, the spirit of compassion reveals itself through Wagonwheel’s words. Or would that be the hypocracy of liberal compassion?

    I call it phony kompassion. These left wing compassion fascists always want to force someone else to pay the bill. If the compassion fascists really cared about the poor, they’d be working in a charity or religious order which did exactly that.

  47. I’m reminded of an oldie but a goodie from the middle 60s from Phil Ochs. It’s called Love me, I’m a Liberal

    I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
    Tears ran down my spine
    And I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
    As though I’d lost a father of mine

    But Malcolm X got what was coming
    He got what he asked for this time
    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    I go to the civil rights rallies
    And I put down the old D.A.R.
    I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
    I hope every colored boy becomes a star

    But don’t talk about revolution
    That’s going a little bit too far
    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
    My faith in the system restored
    And I’m glad that the commies were thrown out
    From the A.F.L. C.I.O. board

    And I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
    As long as they don’t move next door
    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    Ah, the people of old Mississippi
    Should all hang their heads in shame
    Now I can’t understand how their minds work
    What’s the matter don’t they watch Les Crain?

    But if you ask me to bus my children
    I hope the cops take down your name
    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    Yes, I read New Republic and Nation
    I’ve learned to take every view
    You know, I’ve memorized Lerner and Golden
    I feel like I’m almost a Jew

    But when it comes to times like Korea
    There’s no one more red, white and blue
    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    I vote for the democratic party
    They want the U.N. to be strong
    I attend all the Pete Seeger concerts
    He sure gets me singing those songs

    And I’ll send all the money you ask for
    But don’t ask me to come on along
    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

    Sure, once I was young and impulsive
    I wore every conceivable pin
    Even went to socialist meetings
    Learned all the old union hymns

    Ah, but I’ve grown older and wiser
    And that’s why I’m turning you in
    So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal

  48. Moreover, Republicans carry forward stereotypes from the days of slavery and segregation, to the point where we still find you Republican folks on here assuming sloth among the poor, when not a one of you have yet given any evidence whatsoever. This is your modern day racism, and it really stinks a lot.

    Time for you folks to get up to speed, face reality, disgorge your myths, and work together with us to move this nation forward. You people are like a lead weight slowing down progress; moreover, it is getting pretty late to start moving forward, together.

    Gawd, what a self-righteous prig you are! Your Party has ruined the inner cities with destructive policies that punish the productive and reward the slothful. Our cities used to have poor areas, now they are full of squalor as well, with rampant drug use and illegitimacy. And then there’s Affirmative Action, a divisive policy that pits racial and ethnic groups against each other in an effort to get the most spoils. Your side ruined our cities, now be a man and accept the blame for it, you scoundrel!

  49. Yorkshire noted:

    At the Presidential Primary, the person who registered me in to vote is a personal friend. I could not pass GO, until I produced a valid Gummint issued ID. I have two to choose from, so I showed her both.

    I, on the other hand, offered to produce my ID, and the lady at the polls was not only not interested in seeing it –”It’s just a dry run this time.” — but seemed positively angry that such a requirement would be in place for the general election.

  50. Oh, and Perry, before you brag up Europe, try spending some time in the Muslim sections of Paris or other major cities over there.

  51. DNW wrote:

    I think that we can be confident that Perry has put his money, his personal welfare, and his very own domestic safety, where his considerable mouth is.

    To be fair, our liberal from Lewes told us that he was moved out of West Philly when he was 14, long before he had any say in the matter. Of course, that would have been roughly 1948, certainly boom years for Philadelphia.

    And WW has had a significant professional career, though he has provided only the sketchiest of details. It is entirely possible that he lives in Lewes because that was just plain more convenient to his last professional posting, or, perhaps, because a number of his family members now live there. Lewes is very heavily white, 87.31%, but the statistics can get skewed in a town of only 2,932 souls. The town is somewhat wealthier than average, and only 3.1% of families are below the poverty line.

    Lewes certainly does look like a great place to live, tax-wise:

    Tax Advantages of Coastal Delaware

    Delaware is one of the fastest growing areas in the country. Do you know why? TAXES! The number of people buying vacation, retirement or investment property in Coastal Delaware increases every year.

    Delaware offers Home Buyers some of the Lowest Real Estate Taxes in the country. For most that is enough of an incentive to live in Delaware but when you add to the equation that there is No Sales Tax, No Inheritance Tax for most residents, and No Social Security Tax it is difficult to find a better place to live.

    But it doesn’t end there – Railroad Retirement Benefits are Exempt from Income Tax, and if you’re 60 or older you can Exclude up to $12,500 of Investment and Qualified Pension Income from your taxes.

    And even Out-of-State Government Pensions qualify for the Exemption. This makes Delaware “The Most Tax-Friendly State for Retirees” according to Kiplinger’s Personal Finance Magazine.

    Real Estate Taxes
    Here are some examples of the Low Real Estate Taxes you’ll find here in Coastal Delaware:
    ** A 2 Bedroom/2 Bath Condo in Rehoboth Beach is Listed for Sale at $277,450 and has “Annual” Real Estate Taxes of $513.25

    ** A 4 Bedroom/4 Bath Single Family Golf Course Front Home in Millsboro is Listed for Sale at $875,000 and has “Annual” Real Estate Taxes of $1,387.31

    ** A 3 Bedroom/2 Bath Single Family Home in Waterfront Community of Lewes is Listed for Sale at $315,000 and has “Annual” Real Estate Taxes of $642.03.

    The Formula for calculation of Real Estate Taxes in Sussex County is varied and complicated. For example, in Rehoboth Beach taxes are 50% of the 1968 assessment; in Lewes taxes are 50% of the 2000 assessment; and Millsboro taxes are 100% of the 1993 assessment. And keep in mind that properties are not re-assessed when they sell or transfer to new owners.

    So just a few hours drive from Washington, D.C., Philadelphia, Baltimore, Southern New Jersey and even Manhattan – The Beautiful Coastal Area of Delaware has so much to offer and yet keeps you so close to friends and family.

    Note that “A 3 Bedroom/2 Bath Single Family Home in Waterfront Community of Lewes is Listed for Sale at $315,000 and has “Annual” Real Estate Taxes of $642.03.” My taxes, for a house valued at less than $100,000, were $2,337.44 in 2011.

    It’s almost as though our Democrat from Delaware was living like, well, like a Republican!

  52. He does live like those dirty Republicans, but he cries like a guilt ridden Democrat. What a way to live, always sorry for what he is. A preaditor! Taking from his kids, his grandkids and all of the rest of America’s kids. Just for his comfort. And yet he still wants more. His generosity is limited by only what others will give. How compassionate!

  53. As Eric and DNW has pointed out Wagonwheel, if you really believe in your philosophy move back to Philly. If not it would then be you who are the hypocrite! Common’, move back show us what you got. Put your money, your family, your balls where your liberal mouth is. Get out of you lilly-white community and join those you profess to care about. Let’s see if he’ll move back into the sewer the Democrats created. Racist dogs, they are. Move to the “New Plantation” and live among those you feel we need compasion for. Comm’on, I’m waiting to see it. ……..Didn’t think so. As usual a liberal is all talk and no action ( unless they require US to do the action ).

  54. I’ve lived around guys like Wagonwheel all my life. When it comes to fighting they rely on us. When it comes to putting money out to help others, aide the community, build a business, hire employees, pay taxes,or build something new it always falls on us. People of small heart, small stature and limited ability always call on us to pick up the pieces of their broken world view.

    It’s time for revolution. These types cannot lead America. Hell, they can’t even lead themselves.

    And the blood will flow in the streets like borst. (Wasn’t that a commie saying? )

  55. Wagonwheel’s extended family might be in Lewes as well, which makes Philadelphia pretty far away. However, the 1700 block of West 2nd Street in Wilmington would suffice.

    In the two years I lived in New Castle County, Delaware, I decided that it was the most segregated place I’ve ever seen. The city of Wilmington is 58.0% black and 32.6% white, with 12.4% being Hispanic of any race. Hockessin, where I lived, just six miles from Wilmington, was 88.82% white, 7.16% Asian, 2.65% black, with 1.99% being Hispanic of any race.

  56. “Wagonwheel’s extended family might be in Lewes as well, which makes Philadelphia pretty far away. However, the 1700 block of West 2nd Street in Wilmington would suffice.

    In the two years I lived in New Castle County, Delaware, I decided that it was the most segregated place I’ve ever seen. The city of Wilmington is 58.0% black and 32.6% white, with 12.4% being Hispanic of any race. Hockessin, where I lived, just six miles from Wilmington, was 88.82% white, 7.16% Asian, 2.65% black, with 1.99% being Hispanic of any race.”

    First of all, of my immediate extended family, one lives in West Chester, PA, the other in Virginia Beach, VA, which was one reason we picked Lewes for retirement, about mid-way between the two. Of my four surviving siblings, one passed away several months ago, one family lives in the Philly area, the other three in MI.

    Now concerning segregation in Wilmington, you are correct, unfortunately. Inner city Wilmington has similarities to inner city Philly 30 some miles to the north. In both cases, whites have been fleeing to the suburbs for decades. An adder for Wilmington and Northern DE has been the plethora of private schools following the Brown v Board of Education decision in 1954. Perhaps koolo can speak more to this phenomenon.

    I still cite my old school district in VA where I taught HS Chemistry for ten years in the ’90′s, the Fairfax County Public School System, which managed to thrive during those decades without the flight to an extensive private school plethora, which simply did/does not exist there to this day, yet while building one of the top school districts in the country.

  57. “I’ve lived around guys like Wagonwheel all my life. When it comes to fighting they rely on us. When it comes to putting money out to help others, aide the community, build a business, hire employees, pay taxes,or build something new it always falls on us. People of small heart, small stature and limited ability always call on us to pick up the pieces of their broken world view.”

    This made up stuff is total BS, Hoagie, you should know that. In fact, it is a sign of chickensh*t weakness on your part that you would post stuff like this. What is it with you people that you instinctively feel like you have to cut a man down, independent of reason.

    Interesting that you did not behave like this when we met for lunch up there in your backyard a while back, you two-faced SoB!

    But it turns out in time that this behavior of yours is repeated on here incessantly. Disagree with someone’s politics, and that gives reason and license to tear down character – that is exactly what you do, Hoagie! Cowards behave in this manner, because they feel the need to puff out their own chests to make them feel good about themselves. That’s you, Hoagie, all bluster, no substance, when you behave like this!

  58. So now I’m a chickenshit, two faced, SOB coward? Thank you Wagonwheel, now I KNOW I’ve been correct all along.

    I’d love to continue but I have to drive June to Cliffside Park NJ ( wherever the hell that is ) so you just go ahead and rant and I’ll catch you later tonight when we get home.

  59. “So now I’m a chickenshit, two faced, SOB coward?”

    Exactly! Absolutely!!! Otherwise you and yours would attempt to work with the President in a problem solving mode.

    How would you expect your proverbial business manager to solve problems with the business if you berated him/her constantly and undercut his efforts. This is exactly the you your Party is behaving in Congress and in the media. Don’t you understand this, Hoagie John?

  60. The GOP would be happy to help Barack Obama if he was doing something positive for the country.

    But, as long as Obama’s policies are destructive of the economy, destroy jobs, increase the regulatory burden on productivity, undermine the Constitution, and violate the legitimate rights of state government, conservatives and anyone else who cares for individual freedom and liberty has no other choice but to oppose the tyranny of Obama’s dictatorship.

    It’s the American way, anything else tends to uphold totalitarianism and enslaves human beings. Americans oppose Obama’s illegal policies because they conflict with the ideals this country was founded to ensure.

    Anyone more interested in the improvement of the human condition than in their own narrow self-interests could see that. After all, a famous Democrat once said, “Observence of the law is the eternal safeguard of liberty.” And, since Obama runs roughshod over the law whenever it conflicts with his socialist agenda, opposing Obama’s policies is consistent with the essence of good citizenship.

  61. Anyone more interested in the improvement of the human condition than in their own narrow self-interests could see that. After all, a famous Democrat once said, “Observence of the law is the eternal safeguard of liberty.” And, since Obama runs roughshod over the law whenever it conflicts with his socialist agenda, opposing Obama’s policies is consistent with the essence of good citizenship.

    This.

  62. I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    This too.

  63. “The GOP would be happy to help Barack Obama if he was doing something positive for the country.
    False!
    But, as long as Obama’s policies are destructive of the economy, destroy jobs, increase the regulatory burden on productivity, undermine the Constitution, and violate the legitimate rights of state government, conservatives and anyone else who cares for individual freedom and liberty has no other choice but to oppose the tyranny of Obama’s dictatorship.
    Obviously false!
    It’s the American way, anything else tends to uphold totalitarianism and enslaves human beings. Americans oppose Obama’s illegal policies because they conflict with the ideals this country was founded to ensure.
    You wish!
    Anyone more interested in the improvement of the human condition than in their own narrow self-interests could see that. After all, a famous Democrat once said, “Observence of the law is the eternal safeguard of liberty.” And, since Obama runs roughshod over the law whenever it conflicts with his socialist agenda, opposing Obama’s policies is consistent with the essence of good citizenship.”
    Abundantly false!

    Moreover, John Hitchcock’s concurrence is the final proof of this entire statement being false, because it is made up, right wing, political rhetoric, without even a hint of credible, factual, sourced information.

    The only people who accept this is your own tribe, of which John Hitchcock is a member according to his choice based on his own mythological, self-fulfilling prophecies.

  64. “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    Absolutely a done deal by President Obama!

  65. Wagonwheel says:
    July 7, 2012 at 14:56

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    Absolutely a done deal by President Obama!

    Good gawd I can’t stop laughing.

  66. The only people who accept this is your own tribe, of which John Hitchcock is a member according to his choice based on his own mythological, self-fulfilling prophecies.

    Perry, when you blaspheme — which you do with regularity and with relish — all you are doing is heaping more hot coals on yourself, because you are blaspheming the One who will be your final Judge, who will in turn send you to your Just Reward. And Sheol is real, and there are varying degrees of Sheol, all far more torturous than anything man has ever even dreampt of. It would behoove you to not blaspheme the Almighty, and especially not blaspheme Him with the relish with which you do so.

  67. “I’ve lived around guys like Wagonwheel all my life. When it comes to fighting they rely on us. When it comes to putting money out to help others, aide the community, build a business, hire employees, pay taxes,or build something new it always falls on us. People of small heart, small stature and limited ability always call on us to pick up the pieces of their broken world view.”

    This made up stuff is total BS, Hoagie, you should know that. In fact, it is a sign of chickensh*t weakness on your part that you would post stuff like this. What is it with you people that you instinctively feel like you have to cut a man down, independent of reason.

    Interesting that you did not behave like this when we met for lunch up there in your backyard a while back, you two-faced SoB!

    Great job, Hoagie! You really nailed him. Perry is the classic pussy trying to talk tough.

  68. But it turns out in time that this behavior of yours is repeated on here incessantly. Disagree with someone’s politics, and that gives reason and license to tear down character

    Her, Perry, you ever hear the phrase “You reap what you sow”? It’s in the Bible somewhere, never mind you won’t believe in it. You engage in personal attacks here all the time, then whine like a baby when someone returns the favor. And you recently accused John H of being a hypocrite, you, who pretends to care about the inner cities while living in a lily white town?

  69. Scranton paychecks to be full

    The Associated Press

    SCRANTON — Hundreds of workers in the state’s sixth-largest city will get their full paychecks this week but Scranton’s mayor said Wednesday there’s no guarantee he won’t again slash pay to the federal minimum wage.

    Scranton public employees will see their paychecks restored to normal on Friday, though they won’t include back pay they’re owed from their July 6 checks, Mayor Chris Doherty said.

    More at the link. The city faces a $16.8 million shortfall on its $85 million budget. That’s 19.76%, virtually one dollar out of every five budget will not be there.

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