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Your editor has the extreme privilege of working this Saturday, and hasn’t really any particular theme on which he wishes to write this evening, so I’ll take the easy way out point out some of the other interesting articles I’ve seen.

First of all, from William Teach: Having Solved All Of America’s Problems, Dem Senate To Hold Hearing On NFL Bounties. Yup, that’s right: the United States Senate hasn’t passed a budget in over three years now, the country is staring at a major long-term debt crisis, and the Distinguished Gentlemen think that they have time to investigate the “bounty” system discovered o the New Orleans Saints.

Also from Mr Teach: DOJ Argues No Severability With ObamaCare Mandate. The Obama Administration has made the (actually pretty reasonable) argument to the Supreme Court that the Affordable Care Act provision which prohibits insurance companies from denying coverage for a pre-existing condition cannot stand if the individual mandate is invalidated.

Several people have written about Rick Santorum’s suggestion that we might be no worse off with Barack Obama than Mitt Romney as President:

You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who’s just going to be a little different than the person in there. If you’re going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future.

Sister Toldjah, Patterico, Allahpundit and Robert Stacy McCain have some discussion.

The Lonely Conservative noted President Obama’s odd choice for head of the World Bank. It seems that Dr Jim Yong Kim’s background is in academia and health, not economics or finance. Shouldn’t someone with experience in, oh, banking, be a more logical choice?

Tina Korbe noted Mitt Romney’s increasing support among registered Republicans:

Rick Santorum still leads in Louisiana, but the three-quarters of voters there who think Mitt Romney will still be the nominee might be right. According to Gallup’s daily tracking poll, the former Massachusetts governor has the widest lead he’s had in weeks:

Romney has the backing of 40% of registered Republicans nationwide, while Santorum comes in with 26%, according to Gallup’s daily tracking poll.

The 40% threshold also marks the highest point ever for Romney (or any other candidate) since the daily survey began measuring support in early November.

The poll shows a six-point increase for Romney since Tuesday, the same day he won the Illinois primary. Meanwhile, Santorum dropped four points in the same time period.

So dies the myth that Mitt Romney can’t attract more than 25 percent of the vote? Perhaps it wasn’t a ceiling, but a floor, after all. That’s the most positive part of this poll — that Republicans might rally after all to whoever becomes the nominee even if that nominee is Romney.

ALa is getting a puppy.

The Laughing Conservative sneaked (snuck?) into the White House and read the President’s diary.

And finally, via Donald Douglas, a Katy Perry video:

The video was filmed at the Camp Pendleton Marine Corps base in Oceanside, California, over three days, and all of the others in the video are real Marines; no actors, no dancers, just Marines.

It reminds me that I have to get to work on our version of Rule 5 Blogging for tomorrow!

296 Comments

  1. “Perry, since you claim not to be jumping to conclusions, perhaps you could provide the legal grounds for your points of rhetorical outrage rather than a mere display of out of control emotion?”

    DNW, please explain to me how asking a series of questions about the behavior of the Sanford Police Department in this case constitutes “jumping to conclusions” or “points of rhetorical outrage” or exhibiting “out of control emotions”?

    Like I inferred, I would expect you to be asking similar questions, since what we currently know about the behavior of these police, calls to question their competence. I would have expected you to have similar concerns, DNW.

    I agree with koolo, that what we currently know about Zimmerman’s confrontation could have been avoided. Also, that a final opinion has to await the possibility of further information.

    PS: It appears that the latest tactic of the Sanford Police Department is to discredit the reputation of the deceased Trayvon Martin ==> a.maz.ing!

    And then there is the question of his having a gun. — He should not have had a gun, since he was not a policeman. Without the gun, I doubt that Zimmerman would have pursued Martin. The gun empowered Zimmerman, which led to the killing. Our editor, based on his previously written objection to this point, seems pleased that Zimmerman did have a gun.

  2. SINP writes

    PS: It appears that the latest tactic of the Sanford Police Department is to discredit the reputation of the deceased Trayvon Martin ==> a.maz.ing!

    Citation please.

    And then there is the question of his having a gun. — He should not have had a gun, since he was not a policeman.

    Private citizens cannot own firearms? Since when?

    Nevertheless, according to the neighborhood watch manual which “white Hispanic” Zimmerman was supposed to follow, he wasn’t supposed to carry one when on watch duty.

  3. That cite doesn’t do anything to prove the police are trying to “tarnish” Martin’s rep. Unless, that is, informing the public of facts about him — contrary to the initial image the media was attempting to establish — is “tarnishing.”

    But Martin’s lawyer is right: These facts essentially are immaterial to the facts of the case.

  4. Koolo says:
    March 27, 2012 at 09:42

    DNW: It’s obvious that SINP and Anna, like way too many lefties in situations like this, have already made up their minds. They’d make excellent MSNBC personalities.

    I still maintain, based on the current evidence, that Zimmerman’s actions led to the confrontation … a confrontation that easily could have been avoided. This view may change, of course, as more info comes forward. Always keep in mind the Duke lacrosse team, Tawana Brawley …

    Let’s take the two scenarios which now, based on the news reports, seem plausible. And estimate the difference:

    Scenario 1.

    George Zimmerman the neighborhood watch captain was going to the store when he noticed Trayvon moving through the neighborhood. He calls the police, reporting a suspicious male who looks as though he may be on drugs. When asked, Zimmerman replies that the young man looks black and looks to be in his late teens.

    At 1 minute 24 seconds into his conversation with the police dispatcher, Zimmerman reports that the young man in the hoodie is approaching him and watching Zimmerman watching him. After another 30 plus seconds, Zimmerman announces that the young man has begun to run.

    Zimmerman then apparently gets out of his car and begins trundling after Trayvon. (Zimmerman is 5’9″ short, 28 years old, and 240 or so pounds, while Trayvon is reported as over six feet tall, described as an athlete, and said to be somewhere around 150 lbs or so.)

    As we can hear from the tape recording, the police dispatcher, after asking if Zimmerman is pursuing and being told yes, informs Zimmerman that we don’t need you to do that; after which the wind noises in the phone mic subside, and at 2 minutes 40 seconds, Zimmerman, calming, flatly reports, “He ran”.

    None of this so far, is in dispute.

    The recording goes on for a total of 4 minutes and some seconds.

    During another minute unaccounted for by a recording, Zimmerman is returning to his car, when Trayvon approaches him from behind, challenges him with remarks asking Zimmerman if he has a problem, and after a short exchange wherein Zimmerman denies he has a problem, Trayvon punches Zimmerman in the nose, breaking it and sending Zimmerman to the ground. Whereupon Trayvon sets upon the prostrate Zimmerman and begins banging Zimmerman’s head on the pavement.

    Supposed eyewitnesses at this point say Zimmerman is on his back, calling for help, while being beaten about the face or head by Trayvon. Others, who do not see but hear, say that they feel the voice they heard calling for help seemed too young to be the 28 year old Zimmerman’s.

    Zimmerman after being beaten about the face and having his head slammed repeatedly into the pavement, shoots Trayvon at what is described as point blank range. Whether Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman at that point is unclear.

    The police find Trayvon dead, and Zimmerman with a bleeding face, swollen lips, and a bleeding scalp at the back of his head.

    Scenario 2.

    George Zimmerman the neighborhood watch captain was going to the store when he noticed Trayvon moving through the neighborhood. He calls the police, reporting a suspicious male who looks as though he may be on drugs. When asked, he reports that the young man looks black and looks to be in his late teens.

    At 1 minute 24 seconds into his conversation with the police dispatcher, Zimmerman reports that the young man in the hoodie is approaching him and watching Zimmerman watching him. After another 30 plus seconds, Zimmerman announces that the young man has begun to run.

    Zimmerman then apparently gets out of his car and begins trundling after Trayvon. (Zimmerman is 5’9″ short, 28 years old, and 240 or so pounds, while Trayvon is reported as over six feet tall, described as an athlete, and said to be somewhere around 150 lbs or so.)

    As we can hear from the tape recording, the police dispatcher, after asking if Zimmerman is pursuing and being told yes, informs Zimmerman that we don’t need you to do that; after which the wind noises in the phone mic subside, and at 2 minutes 40 seconds, Zimmerman, calming, flatly reports, “He ran”.

    None of this so far, is in dispute.

    The recording goes on for a total of 4 minutes and some seconds.

    During another minute unaccounted for by a recording but supposedly reported by Trayvon’s girlfriend, Zimmerman finds Trayvon. Trayvon asks Zimmerman what Zimmerman is “following him for”. Zimmerman responds by asking “What are you doing here?”

    At that point no more conversation is reported by the girlfriend, who says “Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell.”

    She surmises that the noise she heard was somebody pushing. And she believes that somebody pushed Trayvon causing his headset to fall.

    Supposed eyewitnesses after this point say that Zimmerman is seen on his back, calling for help, while being beaten about the face or head by Trayvon. Others, who do not see but hear, say that they feel the voice they heard calling for help seemed too young to be the 28 year old Zimmerman’s.

    Zimmerman after being beaten about the face and having his head slammed repeatedly into the pavement, shoots Trayvon at what is described as point blank range. Whether Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman at that point is unclear.

    The police find Trayvon dead, and Zimmerman with a bleeding face, swollen lips, and a bleeding scalp at the back of his head.

    —–

    Either Zimmerman caught up with and confronted Trayvon on his own or he did not. That is uncertain.

    Zimmerman seems to imply he did not, although if his story of the confrontation is true but incomplete, he might have been returning to his car after actually catching up to Trayvon.

    Trayvon’s girlfriend says that Zimmerman did catch up to Trayvon, although that too is uncertain. Her description of what she says that she heard – whether complete or not – could also be interpreted as Trayvon catching up to a retreating Zimmerman.

    Either Zimmerman and Trayvon interacted verbally before the shooting or not. Both Zimmerman and Trayvon’s girlfriend say that they did.

    Either Zimmerman indicated to Trayvon why he had been following him, prior to any physical contact taking place, or he did not. Trayvon’s girlfriend says that Zimmerman did.

    If Trayvon’s girlfriend is telling the truth, then there was no further conversation before the sound of physical contact ensued or there was not. She indicates there was not.

    If she is telling the truth, there were sounds that she says she interpreted as pushing. But she doesn’t actually know who was doing the pushing; if it actually was pushing that she heard.

    Zimmerman was supposedly seen on his back being pummeled by Trayvon by a witness. Either that witness is relaying an accurate picture or he is not.

    Police say that Zimmerman’s face was bloodied, his nose bleeding, his lips swollen, and the back of his head abraded and bleeding. Either they are telling the truth or they are not.

    Zimmerman says he was punched in the nose. Either he is telling the truth or not.

    Zimmerman’s lawyer says Zimmerman’s nose has been broken. And the lawyer is either telling the truth or he is not.

    If Trayvon repeatedly slammed Zimmerman’s head on the pavement, he did it before he was shot by Zimmerman, or not.

    Zimmerman shot Trayvon. There seems to be no dispute about that.

    Time will probably tell, better than Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or Anna Nova.

  5. “That cite doesn’t do anything to prove the police are trying to “tarnish” Martin’s rep. Unless, that is, informing the public of facts about him — contrary to the initial image the media was attempting to establish — is “tarnishing.”

    But Martin’s lawyer is right: These facts essentially are immaterial to the facts of the case.”

    Koolo contradicts himself all in the same short comment. He says that the police are justified with tarnishing, then agrees with Martin’s lawyer that it is immaterial. Which is it, koolo? Why would the police department be leaking immaterial information? I would hope you can think a little more deeply than this, especially being a school teacher. Are you a good school teacher, koolo, including setting a good example for your students. Have you given your students the ability to monitor your mostly asinine, bullying comments on this blog? Of course not! You are a chickens**t!

    Moreover, you chastise the media for reporting a story the facts and allegations of which continue to emerge.

    Go figure what koolo is thinking! I think he is profoundly confused!!!

  6. SINP writes

    Koolo contradicts himself all in the same short comment. He says that the police are justified with tarnishing, then agrees with Martin’s lawyer that it is immaterial. Which is it, koolo?

    No, I said the police are certainly within their rights to put forward facts about Trayvon, especially when 1) the MSM is vilifying them, and 2) the MSM has been reluctant to report on such facts, all the while creating their own “images” of not only Trayvon but of Zimmerman as well — via selective images and terminology (like “white Hispanic”). This is no way contradicts what I said about Trayvon’s lawyer, that most, if not all, of that is irrelevant to the case at hand (as far as we know).

    Moreover, you chastise the media for reporting a story the facts and allegations of which continue to emerge.

    To the contrary, I chastise the media for doing just what I noted above, and for injecting themselves into the story.

    Are you a good school teacher, koolo, including setting a good example for your students.

    You’re supposed to end that with a question mark, SINP. But yes, I am. Certainly magnitudes better than you ever were, I’m sure.

    You are a chickens**t!

    Says the “man” who had to be suspended for threatening others on this (and other) blog(s). And, of course, you’d never say that term above to my (or others’) face, so who really fits that moniker, SINP?

  7. Perry writes:

    “And then there is the question of his having a gun. — He should not have had a gun, since he was not a policeman. Without the gun, I doubt that Zimmerman would have pursued Martin. The gun empowered Zimmerman, which led to the killing. Our editor, based on his previously written objection to this point, seems pleased that Zimmerman did have a gun.”

    You say pursued Trayvon. Are you asserting that you know for a fact the Zimmerman caught up with and cornered Trayvon?

    He may have. I don’t know.

    1. Suppose Zimmerman did not, and Zimmerman is telling the truth about Trayvon’s approach to him. Did Zimmerman shoot Trayvon before or after being beaten to the ground and having his head slammed into the concrete?

    What does the police tape say?

    Trayvon first approached Zimmerman in his car, then ran off before Zimmerman got out of the car. What grounds have you for saying that Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his own car? Prudential? Moral? Legal?

    2. Suppose Trayvon’s girlfriend is telling the truth about what she heard. She thinks that she heard Trayvon being pushed, which of course would make Zimmerman the initial assailant.

    But that does not necessarily follow upon the evidence provided in the news report. If what she says she heard as opposed to surmised is a true relation it leaves several possibilities.

    A. Either Zimmerman caught up with Trayvon or he did not.

    If he did not and what she actually heard was Trayvon turning the pursuit tables on Zimmerman, then Trayvon initiated an assault and Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon if Trayvon pursued him, assaulted him, and began bashing his head into the pavement.

    B. Either Zimmerman caught up with Trayvon or he did not.

    If Zimmerman did catch up with Trayvon, and yet he did not initiate an assault on Trayvon, but instead Trayvon began to batter him after a verbal exchange as related by the girlfriend, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon.

    C. Either Zimmerman caught up with Trayvon or he did not.

    If Zimmerman caught up with Trayvon, and then assaulted Trayvon by pushing him, and upon receiving a battering in exchange for the push, then the situation is much more problematical for Zimmerman, and shooting Trayvon seems to potentially qualify as an unlawful killing or murder in some degree.

  8. DNW, you have presented an excellent review of the two scenarios and the differences. I have not seen the equivalent from the media, therefore I am hopeful that your post on here receives widespread publication, somehow.

    Perhaps you could submit it as a op/ed to a major newspaper, or volunteer to appear, on Fox News, because they have managed to screw up the coverage of this case pretty badly, injecting politics into the coverage, as has MSNBC as well, though at least the latter has had a greater variety of guests giving their views.

    I don’t agree with your last comment, because the motivation of all three are primarily to get the Sanford Police Department to behave the way we all expect our police to behave.

  9. SINP writes

    Perhaps you could submit it as a op/ed to a major newspaper, or volunteer to appear, on Fox News, because they have managed to screw up the coverage of this case pretty badly, injecting politics into the coverage, as has MSNBC as well, though at least the latter has had a greater variety of guests giving their views.

    If there ever was a better example of pure delusion than the above, I’ve never seen it. Ye gads …

  10. “He may have. I don’t know.”

    Also, DNW, points well taken. Again, I think you have presented a unique and well-reasoned analysis of this case.

    One of my points about the gun, again, is that he should not have had one, given the duties for which he volunteered. One wonders whether he would have even volunteered if he could not carry his gun. I doubt it.

    We all know that this man Zimmerman was not a policeman. That he had a gun on him and was not trained as the police are, we have a dead 17 year old. Had he not had his gun, I doubt he would have disobeyed the 911 dispatcher, as clearly he did. It was on this point where our Editor and I disagreed, and still do.

  11. From the deluded one:

    “If there ever was a better example of pure delusion than the above, I’ve never seen it. Ye gads …”

    I have yet to see anyone on Fox News be critical of the behavior of the Sanford Police Department, have you, koolo? Their focus has been on demonizing the victim, his parents, and those who are supporting the parents. You haven’t noticed, koolo?

  12. SINP writes

    I have yet to see anyone on Fox News be critical of the behavior of the Sanford Police Department, have you, koolo? Their focus has been on demonizing the victim, his parents, and those who are supporting the parents. You haven’t noticed, koolo?

    I seriously doubt you even watch FNC, SINP. If you did, you would know that is nonsense. O’Reilly had on just last night Juan Williams who was critical of the police (and Zimmerman). Perhaps you can cite an example of where the channel’s hosts have been “demonizing the victim, his parents, and those who are supporting the parents” … just so we don’t, y’know, have to take your word for it?

    Do you have a problem with one of MSNBC’s hosts actually leading protests down in Florida, and engaging in actual advocacy … even though many facts of the case remain in dispute?

  13. I strongly believe all law-abiding citizens should have at least a pistol and a rifle, and be knowledgeable in the usage of both. And Concealed Carry should be “shall give” instead of the “may give” that many radical Leftist states have, which equate to “not on your life” which is often the case in those radical Leftist states and cities. (Gun-related murder rates in DC and Chicago and Detroit and Philadelphia)

  14. By the by, my daughter and son-in-law have between them at least 4 pistols, 8 rifles, 8 shot guns, and many of them specifically for self defense measures. Did you know if you drive across 3 counties in TX, you can have a loaded pistol in your car, whether you’re licensed for concealed-carry or no?

    When my daughter drives to Beaumont and back, her 40 cal pistol and extra-large magazine are fully loaded and in the car with her and her toddler son. Don’t mess with Texas. Your life could well depend on it.

  15. Perry writes:

    “We all know that this man Zimmerman was not a policeman. That he had a gun on him and was not trained as the police are, we have a dead 17 year old. Had he not had his gun, I doubt he would have disobeyed the 911 dispatcher, as clearly he did. It was on this point where our Editor and I disagreed, and still do.”

    I doubt he would have disobeyed the 911 dispatcher, as clearly he did.

    Listen to the tape. At what point did he “disobey” the dispatcher?

    1 minute 26 seconds, Zimmerman to the dispatcher, “He’s coming to check me out”

    1:32 Zimmerman to dispatcher: “Just get an officer over here”

    1:50 up to and following Zimmerman gives instructions to the dispatcher on as to his location relative to the clubhouse.

    @ 2 minutes 7 seconds, after Trayvon had approached and then observed Zimmerman for 42 seconds, Zimmerman says, “Shit, he’s running”

    @ 2 minutes 9 seconds: the apparent sounds of a vehicle door opening, and the dispatcher asking “which way is he [the subject] running”.

    @ 2:23 and 24, The dispatcher asks Zimmerman: “Are you following him”

    @ 2:25 Zimmerman says to the dispatcher: “Yeh”

    @ 2:25/6 Dispatcher to Zimmerman: “Ok we don’t need you to do that”

    @ 2 minutes and 28 seconds Zimmerman replies, “Ok” to the dispatchers remark that. “We don’t need you to do that.”

    Now, what clear evidence do you have that Zimmerman disobeyed the dispatcher?

    He might have. He might have attempted to trail Trayvon after stopping while he was talking to the dispatcher. But it’s not clear he did.

    At 15 seconds traveling distance out from his truck, Zimmerman might also have walked a short (only one minute is unaccounted for supposedly) round or path of some kind as a preliminary to returning to his truck after hanging up; and either ran across Trayvon, or encountered a Trayvon who decided to confront the would-be pursuer before Zimmerman got back to his vehicle.

    Or Zimmerman might have stood there in the rain in sight of his truck waiting for the police.

    Or he might have hunted down Trayvon in some corner, and shot him, and then beat himself up, and got people to lie about what they saw.

    Again. It’s all speculation based on news reports.

    Some just get more emotional about it than others.

  16. A small but possibly significant point:

    If Trayvon Martin was astride the supine Zimmerman and delivering blows when Zimmerman shot him dead, the bullet’s path would have taken a sharp upward angle.

    A forensic autopsy would have recorded the bullet’s path from the point of entry to the point it either exited Treyvon’s body or came to rest lodged within it.

    A sharp upward angle would tend to support Zimmerman’s account, while an angle more on the horizontal would not.

  17. Ropelight, that suggestion is not entirely accurate. A point-blank shot, while leaving the residue of a point-blank shot, will not necessarily be a “sharp upward angle”. If Zimmerman was supine while the supine Martin was atop him, the bullet would maintain a “horizontal” trajectory. If Martin were a more realistic 45 degree angle atop Zimmerman, Zimmerman’s aim and angle would be more in line with the perpendicular of Martin’s position, again providing a more “horizontal” trajectory.

    I do not know enough about this incident to lay judgment. But I do know Zimmerman is the son of a white person and a hispanic person, who has relatives who are black. I also do know Obama was, indeed, being racist in his statements. I further know that Jackson and Sharpton cannot survive if they’re not race-baiting, hustling, or extorting money from law-abiding citizens or businesses. That is a fact that no sane person can deny.

  18. But the Libs needed “White” to make it a Hate Crime eventually. If Zimmerman was just a plain ol’ ordinary Hispanic, then you have 2 minorities. That doesn’t sell hate for the New Black Panthers who now have a million dollar bounty on him.

  19. ropelight says:
    March 27, 2012 at 14:02

    A small but possibly significant point:

    If Trayvon Martin was astride the supine Zimmerman and delivering blows when Zimmerman shot him dead, the bullet’s path would have taken a sharp upward angle.

    A forensic autopsy would have recorded the bullet’s path from the point of entry to the point it either exited Treyvon’s body or came to rest lodged within it.

    A sharp upward angle would tend to support Zimmerman’s account, while an angle more on the horizontal would not.”

    If Trayvon were sitting upright astride Zimmerman, while punching down at Zimmerman’s face at full arm extension, and Zimmerman pulled his gun out of a pocket and fired up, that would make sense.

    If Trayvon were astride Zimmerman while leaning over grasping and banging his head, Hitchcock appears to be describing the likely result.

    As Zimmerman is quoted as saying – though I did not duplicate the quote – that Trayvon was going for Zimmerman’s gun, I think it is possible that Trayvon may not have been in actual full physical contact at the moment Zimmerman shot him, but that while receiving the assault and beating, Zimmerman gained some momentary space and shot Trayvon when Trayvon showed no signs of relenting.

    But then, I don’t know. It’s just a guess as to a possibility. And as that guess has no reporting to back it up other than Zimmerman’s report regarding the gun, I wouldn’t myself make another guess along those lines.

  20. Yorkshire says:
    March 27, 2012 at 14:16

    But the Libs needed “White” to make it a Hate Crime eventually. If Zimmerman was just a plain ol’ ordinary Hispanic, then you have 2 minorities. That doesn’t sell hate for the New Black Panthers who now have a million dollar bounty on him.”

    Anna Nova has declared Zimmerman white. Perhaps your Y chromosome defines your race, according to Anna.

    If not, it would seem that Obama would be as white as Zimmerman; and Adolf Hitler would be “black”.

  21. Hitch, supine means face up on your back, consequently, it’s unlikely Teryvon was supine on top of a supine Zimmerman, unless of course Zimmerman had Treyvon in a rear naked choke. I’m a fan of Ultimate Fighting.

    (In which case it would have been unnecessary to shoot the hooded stranger as the resultant lack of blood flow to the brain would shortly have resulted Trayvon unconsciousness.)

    Also, please note that I didn’t say the bullet’s angle is definitive. I’m saying that a sharp upward angel would tend to support Zimmerman’s account. Nothing more.

    It’s been a month since the shooting, the autopsy report should be available. The bullet’s angle will have already been established, as well as the presence of gun residue on Trayvon’s clothing. Both are possible indicators of how events transpired and both deserve careful consideration.

  22. Perry writes,

    “It appears that the latest tactic of the Sanford Police Department is to discredit the reputation of the deceased Trayvon Martin ==> a.maz.ing!”

    Yeah, those police department leaks.

    “In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious.” Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” — an acronym for “what the f—.” The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.

    Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald. …

    Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

    “Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

    That suspension was followed four months later by another one in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

    The punishment was the third for the teen …

    “As Dan Linehan, a blogger at Wagist.com, pointed out, correspondence with Martin on Twitter before he died alludes to an incident with a bus driver. “Yu ain’t tell me you swung on a bus driver,” Martin’s cousin wrote to him on Feb. 21.”

    In the meantime, perhaps Mr’s Trayvon’s Mom, will find the following link useful, as she looks for text with which she may flesh out, so to speak, her soon to be trademarked son’s history and character.

    It’s hardly fair that Trayvon should have his character assassinated or his reputation smeared by the words of others.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT

    [Released from moderation. -- JH]

  23. BTW, Andrew Stiles, March 27, 2012 in the Washington Free Beacon reports:

    The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat.

    George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents.

  24. DNW says:
    March 27, 2012 at 14:38

    Yorkshire says:
    March 27, 2012 at 14:16

    But the Libs needed “White” to make it a Hate Crime eventually. If Zimmerman was just a plain ol’ ordinary Hispanic, then you have 2 minorities. That doesn’t sell hate for the New Black Panthers who now have a million dollar bounty on him.”

    Anna Nova has declared Zimmerman white. Perhaps your Y chromosome defines your race, according to Anna.

    If not, it would seem that Obama would be as white as Zimmerman; and Adolf Hitler would be “black”.

    It’s color of convenience for the race baiters and race hustlers. Minority on minority doesn’t sell, but white on black crime is like music to the ears of Sharpton, Jackson, BO and now the new BLACK Panthers. Where is Holder in this circus.

  25. Yorkshire says:
    March 27, 2012 at 15:31

    DNW says:
    March 27, 2012 at 14:38

    Yorkshire says:
    March 27, 2012 at 14:16

    But the Libs needed “White” to make it a Hate Crime eventually. If Zimmerman was just a plain ol’ ordinary Hispanic, then you have 2 minorities. That doesn’t sell hate for the New Black Panthers who now have a million dollar bounty on him.”

    Anna Nova has declared Zimmerman white. Perhaps your Y chromosome defines your race, according to Anna.

    If not, it would seem that Obama would be as white as Zimmerman; and Adolf Hitler would be “black”.

    It’s color of convenience for the race baiters and race hustlers. Minority on minority doesn’t sell, but white on black crime is like music to the ears of Sharpton, Jackson, BO and now the new BLACK Panthers. Where is Holder in this circus.”

    I don’t know. The more time I spend reading about this, the more tawdry the whole media frenzy appears, and the more contemptible and less excusable the initial hysteria seems to be.

    More information is coming out all the time. What is reliable and what is not remains to be seen.

    In a post I have placed up which is still in moderation we see a new view of Trayvon from his Twitter account – assuming the account is authentic.

    However, although the twitter image of him is unflattering enough, it seems someone has been touting a “gangsta” – like Facebook image of him which is clearly false.

    What a mess of raw emotions.

    Oh by the way, Hitler would be “black” (i.e., have what is usually thought of as an African or perhaps a Levantine heritage) if his Y chromosome determined his “race”.

    Thus the following should have read:

    “Anna Nova has declared Zimmerman white. Perhaps your Y chromosome defines your race, according to Anna.

    If not, it would seem that Obama would be as white as Zimmerman; and if so, Adolf Hitler would be “black”.”

    Of course saying Napoleon and Hitler are African (or somehow “black” )on the basis of an “E” type Y chromosome, is nothing more than the same kind of politically opportunistic journalistic assignment we see having been made in calling George Zimmerman, “white”.

    Saying it got some folks some web hits.

  26. I’ve released your comments from moderation, DNW. While I’m not nearly as efficient, nor as “bend over backwards” as the Editor when he’s not at work, I do try to keep the moderation queue as minimally loaded as TBDly possible here on TFSJ.

  27. So what you guys are saying is the headline should read: Hispanic shoots Blak, Whites are to blame.

    BTW Wagonwheel, I have a concieled carry permit and always carry. May amuse you to know at our lunch together I had a 9mm Baretta and an ankle back-up Walther .380. I also carry money and credit cards just in case I need to use them also. So far, no civilian fatalities from the guns, a few from the credit cards though.

    Around here if you’re half Hispanic and half white, you’re Hispanic. If you’re half black and half white, you’re black. Even the Russian and German Jews ( no semetic blood to be seen ) don’t identify themselves as Russians or Germans or whites, just Jews. Therefore, persons who intentionally call Zimmermann a “white” are trying to race bait. Very vulgar, very low-life and very leftist.

    I’d like you to explain why all the black guys killed in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, Washington, Baltimore, Camden and Newark in the month of February are being ignored. Perhaps because they were killed by blacks? Then they’re not good race bait for you leftists. Or maybe if I offer “a bounty” on the next black person who kills a white you’ll join me in the effort to see “justice done”.

  28. WW asked several questions:

    The questions remain:

    * Why hasn’t Zimmerman been arrested.

    Because he has not been charged with any crime; to arrest someone, you have to be able to charge him with a specific crime.

    * Why wasn’t Zimmerman questioned intensely?

    You assume that he hasn’t been, but, at least thus far, the police have said that he was appropriately questioned.

    * Why wasn’t Zimmerman’s blood tested?

    If he was not arrested, the police would have needed probable cause to test him for drugs. Apparently they did not see anything which would have passed the test for probable cause.

    * Why wasn’t Zimmerman charged with a crime?

    Perhaps because, at least from the point of view of the local police, he had not committed a crime. His story was that Trayvon Martin attacked him, and that he, while legally in possession of a firearm, defended himself after first being assaulted.

    The above does not constitute “jumping to conclusions” Mr Editor.

    What it does constitute is gross police incompetence. Where is the acknowledgement of this articulated by Conservatives on this blog specifically, or by Conservatives in general. Have I missed something here?

    The conclusion is crystal clear — There continues to be a racist streak in America, most evident among Conservatives, consistent with their blanket hatred for our black President.

    Actually, I certainly see it as having jumped to a conclusion. You have concluded that Mr Zimmerman committed a crime, but the professionally trained police, on the scene, did not. You have concluded that the decision of the police not to charge Mr Zimmerman “constitute(s) . . . gross police incompetence,” but the fact is that they are trained in this, and you are not, and they were there, on the scene, and you were not, and they got their information directly, from the interviews of Mr Zimmerman and the other witnesses, while you have gotten your information from secondary sources, many of which have been biased.

    Now, it may turn out that higher authorities, after examining the evidence, conclude that the local police erred, and that Mr Zimmerman should be charged with a crime, but, then again, it might not.

    As for “a racist streak in America,” which is actually racist:

    • Concluding that a crime must have been committed, because the shooter is white and the dead man is black, despite not having been there, despite not having seen the evidence, and despite the fact that the professional police on the scene did not see this as a crime; or
    • Noting, as the conservatives here have noted, that the information the public is getting, far from the scene, comes from biased sources — on both sides — and that we really don’t have sufficient information on which to take an informed judgement?

    Your conclusions appear to be based on incomplete information, from sources which may include biased ones, and the races of the men involved. To me, that is racial discrimination, the taking of a decision based at least in part upon the races of the involved parties.

    If the continued development of the evidence leads the district attorney, or whatever prosecutorial authority will have jurisdiction, to conclude that Mr Zimmerman did commit a crime, and that there is sufficient evidence of that to bring him to trial, he can still be arrested.

  29. Hoagie says:
    March 27, 2012 at 17:24

    So what you guys are saying is the headline should read: Hispanic shoots Black, Whites are to blame.

    It’s all about the Benjamins ($$$$ Franklin on the $100) in the end. Zimmerman is only WHITE for convenience of the Left and Race Baiters, and lawsuits.

  30. You called it Yorkshire. Let me ask the libs this: If Zimmermann won the Nobel Pirze in Physics, would he still be “white” or would he suddenly become the “noted Hispanic Nobel Lauriat”?

  31. You called it Yorkshire. Let me ask the libs this: If Zimmermann won the Nobel Pirze in Physics, would he still be “white” or would he suddenly become the “noted Hispanic Nobel Lauriat”?

    Heh. No. (Bernie Goldberg asked this question last night on O’Reilly.)

  32. Hoagie says:
    March 27, 2012 at 18:00
    You called it Yorkshire. Let me ask the libs this: If Zimmermann won the Nobel Pirze in Physics, would he still be “white” or would he suddenly become the “noted Hispanic Nobel Lauriat”?

    ROFLMAO, ya gots da BOTTOM LINE. For more proof about $$$$$$, Martin’s mother is Trademarking his name. That’s sick.

  33. Yorkshire says:
    March 26, 2012 at 12:24

    Editor says:
    March 26, 2012 at 12:17

    If there turns out to have been a videotape of the entire incident, and it unquestionably shows Mr Martin assaulting Mr Zimmerman in just the manner described, it won’t make one bit of difference to those who have already made this a cause celebré.

    I know the minds are made up and they do not want to be confused with facts. And some black group has placed a bounty on Zimmerman, the “white” hispanic.

  34. Actually Koolo, that question was asked by one of my conservative friends at the club to one of my liberal friends this afternoon at lunch. The libs jaw nearly hit the bar, then he decided he didn’t want to talk about it “any more”. But now that I know it was on O’Reilly I’m sure that’s where he got it. I don’t usually watch O’Reilly: too liberal for my tastes. And last night I was on the phone and internet with South Korea till almost midnight. Wished I’d seen it, Goldberg I do like!

  35. Hispanic is more of a cultural reference than an ethnic or racial one. The Census separates out “non Hispanic whites” from those who identify as Hispanic, and who may be white, black or some other race or racial combination. Mr Zimmerman is lighter complected than many Hispanic persons we see, which, in Florida, would be primarily Cubans and Puerto Ricans, but, even there, we have to remember that Cubans and Puerto Ricans are very often racially mixed, between the descendants of the white settlers, black slaves, and indigenous natives. Very broadly speaking, Hispanics in the United States are those who have come from the Spanish speaking cultures south of the border, as opposed to the more northern European settlers in America.

    We probably would not have guessed that Mr Zimmerman was Hispanic just from his photo; in that, I am reminded of former Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM), who made some effort to make it known that he was Hispanic during his 2008 campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.

  36. Interesting: Investigator wanted to file manslaughter charges against Zimmerman.

    According to a report from ABC News’s Matt Gutman, the lead homicide investigator in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin recommended that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of February 26. Multiple ABC News sources claim that investigator Chris Serino was “instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney’s office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn’t enough evidence to lead to a conviction.”

    Gutman adds that “police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman’s attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/investigator-had-wanted-manslaughter-charge-for-zimmerman-the-night-of-shooting-sources-say/

  37. Well, Mr. Editor you may believe “Hispanic is more of a cultural reference than an ethnic or racial one” but I believe it is more a reference of convenience. If it pays to be Hispanic then he’s Hispanic, if on the other hand being a Hispanic becomes a detriment he’s suddenly white. And I did “guess” just by his picture he was Hispanic decent. The first time I laid eyes on it!

    But none of that’s the point. The actual point is how fast the libtards and race baiters jump on a cause if they can once again devide America. That’s why they don’t care about those blacks killed in other cities in February: no political hay to be made by their deaths. They are racist and they are dispicable!

  38. Before SINP and Anna jump on the “racism” bandwagon, this commenter at the link above makes an excellent point:

    Makes sense: The cops wanted manslaughter charges. The department that has to try the case says “we can’t win” so don’t waste the time and money. Plus when we lose, Zimmerman will sue.

    This happens a lot, I’d surmise.

  39. Hoag, it might be a matter of convenience for some people, just like President Obama is our first black President, except when he tells us he can’t ignore the white half of his biracial heritage, when that becomes convenient. Part of the problem is that we should all be just plain Americans, and the law should treat us as just plain Americans, but we don’t do that. Had Messrs Martin and Zimmerman been just plain Americans, we’d never have heard of this case.

  40. I don’t believe that Mr Zimmerman could sue if he was tried and acquitted, unless the charges were brought on such weak evidence as to constitute egregious prosecutorial misconduct.

  41. Koolo, nothing you or anyone else can say or do to keep SNIP and Anna OFF the proverbial “racism bandwagon”. They’re libs, therefore they’re racist by nature an project their racism onto others. Just the way it is with libs. Just look at this thread. Who first bagan with the racist inuendos?

  42. Mr. Editor, to guys like you and I the race of a person matters not, we are all just Americans. Try tellin’ that to a lib. We have wars on blacks, wars on women, wars on gays wars on everybody as far as they’re concerned. Why? Because to us they’re all just Americans and none of them entitled to anything more than the rest of us. Just like Zimmerman is entitled to due process and if during that due process the state thinks it has no case, then that’s that.

  43. Editor says:
    March 27, 2012 at 18:18

    Hispanic is more of a cultural reference than an ethnic or racial one. The Census separates out “non Hispanic whites” from those who identify as Hispanic, and who may be white, black or some other race or racial combination. Mr Zimmerman is lighter complected than many Hispanic persons we see, which, in Florida, would be primarily Cubans and Puerto Ricans, but, even there, we have to remember that Cubans and Puerto Ricans are very often racially mixed, between the descendants of the white settlers, black slaves, and indigenous natives. Very broadly speaking, Hispanics in the United States are those who have come from the Spanish speaking cultures south of the border, as opposed to the more northern European settlers in America.

    We probably would not have guessed that Mr Zimmerman was Hispanic just from his photo; in that, I am reminded of former Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM), who made some effort to make it known that he was Hispanic during his 2008 campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.”

    Zimmerman’s mother is reportedly Peruvian. Peru has one of the lesser concentrations of “Criollos”. It also has larger numbers of “Mestizos”, and one of the larger South American populations of “pure” Indigines. Or so I was taught in Latin American History in college, by men who had lived and taught in S.A.

    I have no idea however if Zimmerman’s mother is a Spaniard heiress or an Inca laundress or something “in-between”.

    This last point has some relevance for the American government racial spoils and benefit system.

    A friend of mine, last name of Monteroy, although a Mexican-American, once told me that he was informed he didn’t actually qualify as Hispanic for the purpose of certain government programs. I guess he was not Maya looking enough.

    I suppose if he had persisted, he might have found he actually did qualify. Sort of like when my father was initially told that social security was not meant for people “like him”. Could have been that my friend just wasn’t persistent, or insistent, enough.

    Then again, tearing these worthless bureaucrats out of their offices and throwing their lazy asses back on the land to sink or swim, might be the better, and more moral, solution.

  44. DNW wrote:

    A friend of mine, last name of Monteroy, although a Mexican-American, once told me that he was informed he didn’t actually qualify as Hispanic for the purpose of certain government programs. I guess he was not Maya looking enough.

    My last name is Portuguese, and, on my father’s side, my descent is pure Portugee as far back as I can trace it, to my great-grandparents, who emigrated from San Miguel to Maui. There is a sizable Portuguese community on Maui, and I am the descendant of what were essentially migrant farm workers. On my mother’s side, it’s pure New England Yankee, and my grandmother’s family came over on the Mayflower. Do I qualify as Hispanic? Am I one mixed-up half-breed? Or am I just an American?

  45. As my wife once explained: I could live in South Korea for fifty years, get SK citizenship, but I’d never be Korean. But she comes here and can become an American any time she wants. We’re all mixed up. It’s great, ain’t it?

  46. Hoagie says:
    March 27, 2012 at 20:11

    We’re all just mixed-up half breeds, that’s what makes us Americans. To the liberals dismay.

    In the movie STRIPES, Bill Murray put it together in a great way. In the scene the night before graduation from Basic Training, and Sgt. Hulka was injured, and Murray tried to get order in that motley bunch, he referred to all of them, including himself as “Mutts” for a mixed backgrounds.

  47. For me right now this is an interesting subject, but we’re not going to solve it. The MSM has done effed it up already, of the two characters, one is dead, and the other is a marked man in hiding. The Race Baiters have made up their minds with no facts. And we could go on forever discussing this and never come to conclusion.

    Meanwhile, BO is whispering sweet nothings in Russian Commies ear while bowing and holding his hand, that BO will expand his unlawful presidency to a higher level after he wins his second term of four plus years. And it sounds like the farm, livestock, machinery and his symbol the chicken is being given away. Meanwhile No Such Agency will record every electron produced from here on out. WHERE THE HELL ARE WE LIVING NOW?

  48. Hoagie says:
    March 27, 2012 at 18:49

    Mr. Editor, to guys like you and I the race of a person matters not, we are all just Americans. Try tellin’ that to a lib.”

    You can’t tell them that and have it really mean anything, because for them humanity itself is an artificial construct; as is nearly all “reality”.

    Reality as they reduce it, is an ultimately random process of material welling up, spreading out, and dissipation.

    Human evolution, and the stuff we call people, are just localized examples of that.

    Therefore, all that objectively counts in the spreading out process, is the application of power or force relative to the environment.

    In politics groups have more power than individuals, who on the liberal’s view are even more illusory than the species, which has itself little enough or no objective reality.

    Thus, in order for the liberal thing to satisfy its felt urges in a manner congenial to its own acknowledgedly random and pointless existence, it needs to wield “social power”.

    Being an individual in a multi-culti environment where multi-culti means nothing in the way of power, is pointless from the perspective of satisfying those felt urges which are dependent on secure acceptance.

    Logically, only by maintaining the distinctiveness of these groups, can the groups then be used to make the collective claims which are contingent the group’s existence in the first place. No group, no collective claim, made with the coercive power a large number implies. If you are in the grievance group you benefit directly. If you are outside the grievance group but allied to it, you benefit indirectly two ways: 1. you have their sympathy and approval, 2, their existence within the larger society guarantees that you are relatively “in” in the larger society.

    Now, a homogeneous but free society is no good for the liberal. This is because as unconditional or coerced social acceptance and validation of their desires (which are remember, ultimately and objectively pointless anyway) is their aim, they must not be subject to any judgment which may lead others to withhold or withdraw support.

    In a society of say, “pure” Irishmen, with no outside persecuting force to weld them together in a shared collective identity, they just become people interacting to further their own interests, and they will make whatever judgments as to the suitability or congeniality of their associates as they will; independent of the influence of any “racial” categories on the evaluation process. You might wind up with tribes of what look like alike people to an outsider, but that’s of no benefit to a progressive. [This example is of course take from an actual well known historical case - Gaul]

    The same rule would eventually apply to a multi-culti, but racially blind society.

    What the liberal NEEDS in a free society, in order to ensure his own constant “inclusion and acceptance” is a framework wherein he is comparatively “in” by default.

    Imagine what it would be like to be in some group, like say a group of suburban high school kids, who were all athletic and fit; the girls proportionate and beautiful, and etc.

    And you are the liberal. A pear shaped narrow shouldered nearsighted male with a snub nose and asthma. In fact, that is largely what makes you the liberal (in the modern sense) in the first place.

    How do you get “included? You have to expand the parameters of in-group acceptability. You could do this through religious propaganda regarding the essential value of all humans, and by saying things about not judging a book by it’s cover, and by pointing out that animal spirits and health are not all that there is to practical success in the material world and so on. And if they bought it, and if it were largely true and so on, then you might get what you want through persuasion.

    On the other hand, if none of that resonated with you, if you were convinced that life really did have no meaning, and that it was all pointless ultimately and that no humans, not even the healthy and beautiful really were objectively healthy or beautiful, BUT YOU STILL WANTED YOUR SHARE OF IT REGARDLESS, and despite your personal obnoxiousness, you could try a different strategy.

    You could try introducing lots of other even more radically pear shaped narrow shouldered nearsighted males with snub noses into the population so that you were comparatively normalized, and looked better by comparison. You would then be comparatively “in”.

    The trouble is that even after all that, people sort themselves out on the basis of congeniality and similarity of interests.

    So you might think you would be better off getting some really different people in: green people, or purple people, too. But once everyone got used to them, and began noticing character and behavioral distinctions within the groups of blue and green people instead of just seeing blue or green, the beneficial effect of their presence on your own “in-ness” would begin to wear off; and you might find yourself on the outside of a clique of blue and green and suburban kids, who allied with each other and came to exclude you anyway.

    Thus the liberal organism, in order to maintain its place in a “free society”, needs at the least, a society composed of groups knocking against each other, so that it can fit without being subject to judgment and exclusion, within the yet larger social arrangement of groups of groups.

    Once the group within group distinctions smooth out, through averaging, or through familiarity, or through assortative selection, the liberals are reconfronted by the old problem of being devalued once again.

    As the concept of a law giving God no longer suffices to set interpersonal rules, and as the liberals have themselves ruled out being decent and congenial as the price of a ticket “in”, the only thing that will ultimately do for them is the expedient of a political totalitarianism. They need, ultimately a political system which regulates every facet of human exchange and interpersonal relations.

    That’s why some lefties like to claim that reality has a left wing bias. Only a totalitarian bias, will allow them to flourish among those who would cut them out, or ignore them; or, by merely refusing to underwrite their incurred costs, make them bear the burden of being what they are.

    Does reality have a “left-wing” bias? Whether or not it does, their very own lives depend on you operating as if it is so.

    The “group” thing is just an expedient, a strategy for dealing with a free or residually free society, and leveraging the generally held moral principles of the society against the “ins”. Thus it constitutes a phase in an aimed for transition to an ultimately totalizing political system mediating and directing all – at least in principle – interpersonal arrangements.

  49. I don’t have to. I am always doing something else at the same time. I might leave the page on for 20 minutes and get back to it later. LOL

  50. “You can’t tell them that and have it really mean anything, because for them humanity itself is an artificial construct; as is nearly all “reality”. et seq.”

    Now we have DNW joining the right-wing straw man parade, quite elaborate, thoughtfully constructed, but a straw man nonetheless, therefore meaning little!

  51. Wagonwheel says:
    March 28, 2012 at 10:47

    “You can’t tell them that and have it really mean anything, because for them humanity itself is an artificial construct; as is nearly all “reality”. et seq.”

    Now we have DNW joining the right-wing straw man parade, quite elaborate, thoughtfully constructed, but a straw man nonetheless, therefore meaning little!

    Did you listen to the evidence of the 911 recording?

    If so, how do you reconcile your statement that Zimmerman clearly ignored the dispatcher’s comment, with the fact that 2 to 3 seconds after hearing it, Zimmerman said “Ok” and evidently, from the sounds of it, stopped in his tracks.

    Perry:

    “Had he not had his gun, I doubt he would have disobeyed the 911 dispatcher, as clearly he did. “

    The tape:

    @ 2 minutes 7 seconds, after Trayvon had approached and then observed Zimmerman for 42 seconds, Zimmerman says, “Shit, he’s running”

    @ 2 minutes 9 seconds: the apparent sounds of a vehicle door opening, and the dispatcher asking “which way is he [the subject] running”.

    @ 2 minutes and 23 and 24 seconds, The dispatcher asks Zimmerman: “Are you following him”

    @ 2:25 Zimmerman says to the dispatcher: “Yeh”

    @ 2:25/6 Dispatcher to Zimmerman: “Ok we don’t need you to do that”

    @ 2 minutes and 28 seconds Zimmerman replies, “Ok” to the dispatchers remark that. “We don’t need you to do that.”

    Now, Perry, what clear evidence do you have that Zimmerman disobeyed the dispatcher?

  52. Perry has no evidence. He’s full of assumptions and devoid of facts, as usual.

    In his rush to condemn Zimmerman, Perry sees only through the lens of leftist preconceptions. He doesn’t think for himself, he doesn’t examine the facts, he just assumes the worst and he does it with all the noisy conviction and puffed up moral outrage a practicing hypocrite can muster.

  53. ropelight says:
    March 28, 2012 at 13:33

    Perry has no evidence. He’s full of assumptions and devoid of facts, as usual.

    In his rush to condemn Zimmerman, Perry sees only through the lens of leftist preconceptions. He doesn’t think for himself, he doesn’t examine the facts, he just assumes the worst and he does it with all the noisy conviction and puffed up moral outrage a practicing hypocrite can muster.

    It’s those facts that get in the way of most libs. Anyway, the only one with all the facts is Zimmerman and he’s hiding. And the New Black Panthers have a reward for his capture, and I don’t think it’s catch and release. Well, the police did have a three week reprieve to study this while the libs were distracted with Sandra Fluck and her birth control predicament. Now that she has been used and abused by the libs, it’s on to Martin/Zimmerman for the next two weeks, or until a new distraction comes along.

    At least this takes the heat off the incompetent Obama and his selling the country down the river. (added)

  54. Koolo says:
    March 27, 2012 at 18:25

    Interesting: Investigator wanted to file manslaughter charges against Zimmerman.

    According to a report from ABC News’s Matt Gutman, the lead homicide investigator in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin recommended that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of February 26. Multiple ABC News sources claim that investigator Chris Serino was “instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney’s office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn’t enough evidence to lead to a conviction.”

    Gutman adds that “police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman’s attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman’s claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/investigator-had-wanted-manslaughter-charge-for-zimmerman-the-night-of-shooting-sources-say/

    Perry:

    “Why wasn’t Zimmerman questioned intensely?”

    The news:

    ““police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman’s attorney, despite his request for medical attention first.”

    Perry:

    “Why wasn’t Zimmerman charged with a crime?”

    The news:

    “The lead homicide investigator in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin recommended that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter …the state attorney’s office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn’t enough evidence to lead to a conviction.”

    Well, there you go.

  55. Oh, one last thing that despite all of my commentary, I have not yet mentioned.

    In my dealings with progressives and lefties, for all of their hyperbole about what they conceive of as rights, for all their willingness to engage in political violence, for all their talk of resisting injustice and fighting for the right of peoples or for justice or for whatever, they seem to nonetheless believe that it is your moral obligation to take a beating, or suffer a rape, rather than kill the offender.

    When it comes down to it, if everything that could conceivably be exculpatory for Zimmerman is proved to be true, (and I don’t imagine it will) and if he did nothing whatsoever to provoke Trayvon into a physical assault, and if it is shown that he was having his head pounded against the pavement at the very moment he shot Trayvon, there will still be many on the left that will say it was unjustified.

    An essential characteristic of the leftist organism is their different sense of personal boundaries.

    Well, we’ll see how it plays out.

  56. Mr. Editor, I must ask what is a “perfect citizen”? I’m not perfect in any way. Neither are you, WW, York, Hitch or DNW. I don’t know. Do you? Frankly I don’t believe there’s such a thing. I do believe there are those who believe in The Replublic! Those who believe in Freedom. And those who understand that nothing can be perfect and are willing to live under the imperfection. God is perfect, we are not. Government is imperfect, as we are. I choose God over government.

    There was once a Samuri who seeked the perfect cherry blossem. At the moment of his death he realized: “They are all perfect. Exactly what God wanted them to be. No more, no less.

    Tell that bit of philosphy to a libtard.

  57. Hoagie says:
    March 28, 2012 at 21:41

    Mr. Editor, I must ask what is a “perfect citizen”? I’m not perfect in any way. Neither are you, WW, York, Hitch or DNW. I don’t know. Do you? Frankly I don’t believe there’s such a thing. I do believe there are those who believe in The Replublic! Those who believe in Freedom. And those who understand that nothing can be perfect and are willing to live under the imperfection. God is perfect, we are not. Government is imperfect, as we are. I choose God over government.

    I agree on the imperfection part. But every day, every hour, every minute and every second we are tested on the values of good and/or evil. The one thing that should be chosen is good, even if you may not see it, like it, or it inconveniences you.

    I would say last Friday, although it wound up costing us $2000 in trade-in value of our two cars, we disclosed the defects in each one that we knew about, One defect was the replacement of the front drive axle due to a defective boot that held the grease in the inside universal. But the dealer appeared to be dealing fair, so reciprocating was the only way I could go. But like I said, you are tested daily in so many ways that you’re not conscious of 95% of them.

  58. “Gutman adds that “police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman’s attorney, despite his request for medical attention first.”

    Uh-huh.

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40131_Video-_George_Zimmerman_on_Night_of_Trayvon_Killing_-_No_Injuries!

    —-
    ABC News has posted a police surveillance video, showing George Zimmerman on the night he killed Trayvon Martin — and Zimmerman is very obviously not injured at all. Certainly no broken nose, and no visible injuries to his head, despite the recent claims by police that he was punched in the nose by Trayvon and had his head bashed into the pavement.

    It’s getting worse, too: Funeral Director: No Injuries on Trayvon’s Hands.

    The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin’s body for burial told HLN’s Nancy Grace Wednesday that he did not see any cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would have been indicative of a struggle with George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed the Florida teen.

    Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale said there appeared to be a gunshot wound in Martin’s upper chest area, but he received the body after the autopsy was completed so it was difficult to tell whether he had other injuries. He also could not determine the bullet’s entry or exit point.

    “As for his hands and knuckles, I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Kurtz said. …

    While Kurtz is not a forensics expert, the funeral director said he has handled the bodies of many homicide victims in his career. This case in particular affected him as he learned more about what happened to Martin and how the case was handled.

    “I think the police investigation was the most unprofessional one I’ve ever seen in my lifetime,” Kurtz said.
    —-

    Gee, perhaps the shooting should be investigated in a court of law – as it undoubtably would have been if a white teen had been shot by a black guy twice his size.

  59. “Gee, perhaps the shooting should be investigated in a court of law – as it undoubtably would have been if a white teen had been shot by a black guy twice his size.”

    Courts don’t “investigate” here, they ajudicate. The police investigate. Perhaps they have ( after all the racist anti Hispanic hysteria there can be no doubt ) and don’t agree with you anti-white/Hispanic racist hate mongers. And BTW, the “black guy” as you call him was bigger than the poor little Hispanic guy so don’t even try to lie about that to make your racist point. I love your use of “undoubtably” as if no one investigated anything because everyone but you (oh nobel prince) is blind, deaf and dumb. Stop trying to stir up anti-hispanic hatred, it is ugly.

  60. ABC News has posted a police surveillance video, showing George Zimmerman on the night he killed Trayvon Martin — and Zimmerman is very obviously not injured at all. Certainly no broken nose, and no visible injuries to his head, despite the recent claims by police that he was punched in the nose by Trayvon and had his head bashed into the pavement.

    Of course, to those without pre-conceived notions of “justice,” this seems to contradict your (or, Charles Johnson’s, to whom you linked) version of events: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/

    It’s not “very obvious” Zimmerman wasn’t injured as the one still pic indicates. And as for the broken nose,

    At the scene of the incident, according to a three-page preliminary police report, Zimmerman was given “first aid” by Sanford Fire Department paramedics. It is unclear what that treatment consisted of, and how much time elapsed between the paramedics’ intervention and Zimmerman’s arrival at the Sanford Police Department.

    Gee, might that aid have consisted of treating (and cleaning up) Zimmerman’s broken nose?

  61. “Courts don’t “investigate” here, they ajudicate.”

    That is true, but a Court can order an investigation, which amounts to the same thing.

    If you are claiming that the Sanford Police Department did a credible job investigating this case, then you are racist just like the SPD appears to be as well.

    Moreover, the video taken at the police station is pretty clear that Zimmerman had been the victim of a vicious attack. Where is the blood, where are the bandages?

    If the perp and the victim’s races were reversed, you can be sure there would have been an arrest. This case smacks of blatant racism, in my opinion.

    So Hoagie, your mind is already made up on this case, before all the facts are in. Let us wait until we see the outcome of the Grand Jury investigation, scheduled to begin on April 10th, before jumping to any more conclusions.

  62. SINP writes

    If you are claiming that the Sanford Police Department did a credible job investigating this case, then you are racist just like the SPD appears to be as well.

    OMG. The lead investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman! Do you NOT follow the news as you so claim ad nauseum, SINP? Pathetic. It was the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office which declined to press charges, not the police.

    Moreover, the video taken at the police station is pretty clear that Zimmerman had been the victim of a vicious attack. Where is the blood, where are the bandages?

    See my linked article from previous comment.

    This case smacks of blatant racism, in my opinion.

    But of course! What else would you think?

  63. “If you are claiming that the Sanford Police Department did a credible job investigating this case, then you are racist just like the SPD appears to be as well.”

    I’m claiming no such thing because unlike you leftists I don’t jump to a decision without all the facts.

    “If the perp and the victim’s races were reversed, you can be sure there would have been an arrest. This case smacks of blatant racism, in my opinion.”

    You prove your racism with each successive post. “If the perpand the victim’s races were reversed” it wouldn’t make a hill of beans difference to me. I don’t care about their races I only care about justice for all Americans. You seem to wwant some kangaroo court or something.

    “So Hoagie, your mind is already made up on this case, before all the facts are in. Let us wait until we see the outcome of the Grand Jury investigation, scheduled to begin on April 10th, before jumping to any more conclusions.”

    You really don’t listen do you Wagonwheel? My mind is not anywhere near “made up”. But it will noty be made up nor influenced based upon anyones race. BTW, it is not I who is jumping to conclusions. I believe Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, do you?

  64. Here’s the first few paragraphs from Daniel Greenfield’s Sultan Knish blog entry of 3/28/12. It puts the current dog and pony show into the larger context of black politics, race hustling, and opportunistic grievance theatre.

    The Bankrupt Race Card

    The Trayvon Martin case is a wholly familiar one to residents of any major urban city. If you live in Chicago, New York or Los Angeles, then it’s only a matter of time until an incident between a law enforcement officer, or more rarely a civilian defending himself, and a member of a minority group flares up into a citywide grievance theater complete with angry reverends on the steps of City Hall, women with stony faces holding up banners calling for justice and a media driven debate about police tactics and racism.

    This sort of thing happens with depressing regularity in cities where even the most liberal residents have to choose between police overreach and being murdered. It never leads to meaningful debate or a resolution, instead it peters out with the best actors in the grievance theater picking up money and influence, the media selling a few more papers or ads for nasal polyp relief on the drive time news and everything going back to the way it was.

    The grievance theater is never really about the specific case, the specific shooting, it’s about the links between the social problems of the black community, the compromises of civil liberties necessary to keep entire cities from turning into Detroit and the inability of the media to address the sources of crime as anything but the phantoms of white racism. It’s about a black leadership that is more interested in posturing as angry activists and shaking loose some money, than in healing their own community’s problems. And so the same story repeats itself again and again without an honest dialogue or anything meaningful coming out of it…

  65. “OMG. The lead investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman! Do you NOT follow the news as you so claim ad nauseum, SINP? Pathetic. It was the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office which declined to press charges, not the police.”

    Can’t resist the insults, can you koolo? What a snake you are! Pathetic!!

    My point is that the Sanford PD did not arrest Zimmerman, which would have been automatic, given the circumstances, in any normal PD in the country.

    My conclusion is that racial considerations are evident in this case. I understand very well that you could care less about racist behavior, koolo.

    Only a fool like you, koolo, would defend the behavior of the Sanford PD in this case. Look here, as reported by abc News:

    “But after the shooting, a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective pepppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.

    Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help.

    The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.

    The Sanford Police Department refused to release 911 calls by witnesses and neighbors.

    Several of the calls, ABC News has learned, contain the sound of the single gunshot.

    Lee publically admitted that officers accepted Zimmerman’s word at the scene that he had no police record.

    Two days later during a meeting with Trayvon’s father Tracy Martin, an officer told the father that Zimmerman’s record was “squeaky clean.”

    Yet public records showed that Zimmerman was charged with battery against on officer and resisting arrest in 2005, a charge which was later expunged.”

    It appears that you are very selective regarding the facts on this case, koolo, as is usual for you!

  66. Now ropelight comes on here toting this racist nonsense:

    “It’s about a black leadership that is more interested in posturing as angry activists and shaking loose some money, than in healing their own community’s problems. “

    You have no regard for the truth, do you ropelight? Instead you’re all about right-wing racist rhetoric!

  67. Actually, Perry, I have a high regard for the truth. That’s why I posted the excerpt from Greenfield’s article. I’m sorry if that upsets your puffed up divisive racist caterwauling.

  68. Again Wagonwheel, you seem to be the only racist here. You’re more concerned about the race of the players than insuring justice is served. You bark at Ropelight yet it is you who parrots the rhetoric of the left, the race baiters, the perpetual victims, and the professional race pimps.

    Maybe you should read the articles by Jack Cashill and by Larry Elder (a black man BTW ) on WND.com today. There is no reason for you to be so anti-Hispanic.

    This incident is not about race unless you want it to be. It’s about justice. If it is just for Zimmerman to be prosecuted, then so be it. If however, it was just for him to defend himself then so be that too. Regardless of either players race.

  69. Just so you know Wagonwheel, if I had a son he would look nothing like either Zimmerman or Martin. And I certainly wouldn’t want that son to be in either mans position.

  70. WW wrote:

    If you are claiming that the Sanford Police Department did a credible job investigating this case, then you are racist just like the SPD appears to be as well.

    Really? Were you there? Are you a trained police investigator? Did you see the evidence, all of the evidence, directly, or talk to the witnesses on the scene?

    It appears to me that you have jumped to a conclusion, based solely on second (or third, or fourth) hand evidence, filtered through various sources which have biases of their own, yet you felt compelled to pass judgement on a police department about which you know virtually nothing, and an event on which you have no direct knowledge.

    It may turn out that George Zimmerman committed a crime; it may also turn out that he was justified in taking the action he did. But we here, a thousand miles away, with no direct knowledge, do not know which it is!

  71. Koolo asked:

    Gee, might that aid have consisted of treating (and cleaning up) Zimmerman’s broken nose?

    While we don’t know how much and what kind of first aid Mr Zimmerman might have received, we do know one thing: first responders do not leave blood and other bodily fluids laying around, and would have cleaned up any visible blood on anyone brought in for questioning. If the person being questioned had bloody clothes, those clothes would have been removed and bagged in normal bodily fluid precautions. That’s just standard procedure, and has been ever since AIDS was discovered.

  72. SINP the Snake writes

    My point is that the Sanford PD did not arrest Zimmerman, which would have been automatic, given the circumstances, in any normal PD in the country.

    They had him in cuffs, took him into custody, and according to ABC News the lead investigator wanted to charge him with manslaughter but was turned down by the district attorney’s office! What don’t you understand, SINP? Is your predetermination of racist cops and vigilante clouding what little sense of reason you possess?

    It appears that you are very selective regarding the facts on this case, koolo, as is usual for you!

    Sorry, but any objective observer to this thread would definitely see I’ve been a LOT more evenhanded on this case than you have. By light-years.

  73. There is no doubt in my mind, after reading Wagonwheel these last couple years, that Wagonwheel is very clearly racist and in a malignant “soft-bigotry” manner, and excessively uncivil toward anyone seeking out the Truth instead of kowtowing to the radical Leftist racist perpetual victimhood agenda. Wagonwheel cried wolf one too many times, and that was back in 2009, with his willy-nilly charges of raaaaacism without substantiating evidence.

    The race card has been played to death. It’s dog-eared, ragged, and unreadable now. And very few reasonable people even pay attention when that carte blanche is used. It’s massively overdrawn.

  74. SINP writes

    My conclusion is that racial considerations are evident in this case.

    We all well understand that, SINP. Anyone who considers MSNBC to be a good source of unbiased news can come away with only that conclusion.

  75. The Editor stated: ” But we here, a thousand miles away, with no direct knowledge, do not know which it is!”

    Very rational for us but not for Wagonwheel. You must understand that Wagonwheel being a leftist must have villans and victims. Therefore, he has already determined Zimmerman the villan and Trayvon the victim. It fits his theology. If the situation reverses by the evidence, then the matter will be droped and quickly go away. If it ends up that Zimmerman was wrong, the matter will be proof of white racism perpetrated by a Hispanic on a black person. That’s the way they roll.

    I also noticed they keep posting photos of Zimmerman with a puffy face and big frown, but those of Trayvon are when he was a cute little 12 year old boy, not a 6’3″ 160 lb teenager in a hoodie. I wonder why?

  76. It just so happens that Perry, The Omniscient, knows with absolute certainty exactly what happened because it fits his preconceived narrative: an unarmed dead black kid, and the police don’t arrest the shooter. That’s it, case closed. Racism!

    Get a rope!

  77. Actually, Koolo, if I remember right (but I may be mistaken), you advocated for charging Zimmerman with a crime related to the shooting and the surrounding context. That is something I have not advocated and cannot advocate at this time, with the stories I’m hearing.

    Did Zimmerman “act stupidly”? Likely so. Did he commit a crime? That would be assuming facts not in evidence. Eyewitness (and Earwitness) testimony I’ve heard about has Zimmerman getting pummeled and crying out desperately for help before he took the shot.

    It is very possible to be unarmed and still bludgeon someone to death. Claiming Martin was unarmed as proof of anything regarding Zimmerman’s actions is absolutely faulty argumentation. You don’t have to be armed to murder. You don’t have to be armed to car-jack. You don’t have to be armed to break-and-enter. You don’t have to be armed to mug someone. There are a great many violent crimes you can commit without ever being armed. And Zimmerman’s neighborhood created their neighborhood watch because of burglaries and the like.

    Is Zimmerman an innocent victim of a punk thug who was beating his head into the pavement? I do not know. Is Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter or murder? (And in my mind, there should be no crime called “manslaughter”.) Again, I do not know. Is Zimmerman guilty of any crime at all in this case? Again, I do not know.

    But I do know the media’s “white Hispanic” has black relatives. I do know my grandson has a higher percentage of black blood coursing through his veins than does Obama. I do know my grandson has a lower percentage of white blood coursing through his veins than does Obama. And I expect Wagonwheel cannot honestly say the same.

  78. Actually, Koolo, if I remember right (but I may be mistaken), you advocated for charging Zimmerman with a crime related to the shooting and the surrounding context. That is something I have not advocated and cannot advocate at this time, with the stories I’m hearing.

    I don’t believe I’ve commented such — just that he could have been charged (as the lead investigator wanted to do).

  79. On 3/25 @07:52 Koolo agreed with SNIP that too many questions surrounding the non-arrest of Zimmerman remained unanswered. Since then more information has come to light and opinions have evolved.

    Additionally, Koolo commented:

    Koolo says:
    March 26, 2012 at 12:58

    One thing you should all keep in mind is that Zimmerman gave chase to Martin. If a strange dude was chasing you and you felt threatened, would you not attack the person as Martin did? I find Zimmerman’s “self defense” claim specious given that he was the instigator of the confrontation.

  80. Yeah, ropelight, I don’t assault people who are following me. I just get away. I have actually been known to not defend myself from assault. When I was in High School, I suffered a broken tooth from multiple punches to my jaw quite specifically because I “sat in someone else’s seat” at an under-age dance held by a private business not affiliated with any school. The obviously inebriated high school student wanted me to go outside and duke it out, but I ignored his existence. Only later did I find out through multiple sources he had several friends waiting for me outside to pound me to a pulp. But fights where I actually engaged? I’m 4-1 in those fights, and none of those fights were ever in doubt.

    So, if I’m unarmed and I feel physically threatened (which is an argument based on claims of fact not in evidence), I will definitely select the avenue of escape instead of attacking someone else.

  81. Just a reminder for those who are not psychotic:

    A 250 lb 28 year old with a gun chases down and then shoots a 140 lb 17 year olf with a bag of skittles.

    And a wingnut asks “Is Zimmerman an innocent victim of a punk thug who was beating his head into the pavement?”

  82. Hogie: “Again Wagonwheel, you seem to be the only racist here. ”

    Well, let’s see:

    Hitchcock: “Is Zimmerman an innocent victim of a punk thug who was beating his head into the pavement?”
    Yorkshire: “It’s all about the Benjamins ($$$$ Franklin on the $100) in the end.”
    Hoagie : “Let me ask the libs this: If Zimmermann won the Nobel Pirze in Physics, would he still be “white” or would he suddenly become the “noted Hispanic Nobel Lauriat”?”

    Now, it’s a question that has been asked several times before, but I’ve yet to see an answeer. Do any of the right-wing commentators here believe, really, that if Zimmerman had been black and Martin white, the Sanford Police wouldn’t have arrested Zimmerman?

  83. “Now, it’s a question that has been asked several times before, but I’ve yet to see an answeer. Do any of the right-wing commentators here believe, really, that if Zimmerman had been black and Martin white, the Sanford Police wouldn’t have arrested Zimmerman?”

    And a followup question for the wingnuts here – do they honestly, really, believe that if a 250 lb black guy had chased down and shot a 140 lb 17 year old white guy with a bag of skittles under identical circumstances, that THEY THEMSELVES would be going through the contortions and twisted logic above to try and justify the shooter as innocent?

  84. And a followup question for the wingnuts here – do they honestly, really, believe that if a 250 lb black guy had chased down and shot a 140 lb 17 year old white guy with a bag of skittles under identical circumstances, that THEY THEMSELVES would be going through the contortions and twisted logic above to try and justify the shooter as innocent?

    Another follow-up question: Why do you keep erroneously stating Zimmerman’s weight? Why are you racist for disputing his black friend’s comments:

    Local 6: “What we are looking for here is for you to explain your relationship with George Zimmerman.”

    Oliver: “George is a friend of the family, his mother in law is close friend of my wife’s.”

    Local 6: “Someone printed that your wife is his mother in law. That’s clearly wrong?”

    Oliver: “That’s a perfect example of all the misinformation that is out there. Based upon his 2005 arrest, a mug shot says he weights 250 pounds and that doesn’t say he is 5 feet, 8 inches and 170 pounds.

    Oliver: “G is not a large man, he was back then, but not now.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Friend-George-Zimmerman-scared-for-his-life/-/1637132/9722180/-/e55273z/-/index.html

  85. Two questions:

    Does anyone here honestly believe that if the two club wielding New Black Panther thugs who were video taped threatening voters at the polls on election day 2008 had been white instead of black, like Barack Obama, that his black Attorney General, Eric Holder, would have let them go scott free?

    Does anyone remember the insane contortions and twisted logic Leftists used at CSPT attempting to justify Eric Holder’s racist perversion of justice?

  86. It’s getting worse, too: Funeral Director: No Injuries on Trayvon’s Hands.

    The funeral director who prepared Trayvon Martin’s body for burial told HLN’s Nancy Grace Wednesday that he did not see any cuts or bruises on the teen’s hands that would have been indicative of a struggle with George Zimmerman, the man who shot and killed the Florida teen.

    Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale said there appeared to be a gunshot wound in Martin’s upper chest area, but he received the body after the autopsy was completed so it was difficult to tell whether he had other injuries. He also could not determine the bullet’s entry or exit point.

    “As for his hands and knuckles, I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Kurtz said. …”

    Makes you wonder if Phoenician in a time of Romans, aka Ms Anna Nova, has ever been in a fist fight or knows what most fights are like, or has even read of Zimmerman’s account.

    Zimmerman – whether he is speaking the truth or not – has not been reported as claiming there was “a fight”.

    He has been reported as essentially claiming he was sucker punched in the nose while reaching for a cell phone, and that upon falling to the ground, he was pummeled in the face and had his head banged against [in one report] a sidewalk.

    Now unless Trayvon struck Zimmerman in the teeth while Zimmerman’s mouth was open there seems to be little reason to expect obvious damage to Trayvon’s fists. Absent a blow of that kind, or a finger broken while hitting the tip of a chin, what’s to cause obvious damage? Missing Zimmerman’s head with a blow, and accidentally striking the pavement?

    Again, Zimmerman is not reported as claiming that there was a fight.

    “Zimmerman is very obviously not injured at all.”

    As for Anna Nova’s endorsement of the assertion that “Zimmerman is very obviously not injured at all.”, I don’t know why a jerky “video” which has Zimmerman obscured by the ABC logo for most of it, should be taken as proving Anna’s mouthpiece’s contention.

    Koolo has already posted a rebuttal of that so called evidence.

    It seems incomprehensible that Anna [the New Zealand librarian and "Walking With Ghosts" blogger Phoenician in a Time of Romans] did not “herself” simply go directly to the ABC video and point out the supposedly “obvious” proof at such and such a second. Should have been easy enough for a “professional” researcher to do. Even one from New Zealand.

    Nor can we fully comprehend the motives of some news sources such as ABC, which identified the 13 year old witness who said Zimmerman was laying on the grass crying out for assistance, while shielding the identity of Trayvon’s 16 year old girlfriend, who claims to have important evidence as to what transpired.

    The fact is that we don’t fully know what happened between Zimmerman and Trayvon.

    What we do know is that what some hysterical and malevolent people like Phoenician or Al Sharpton are histrionically claiming, doesn’t fit the facts already in the public domain.

    And in some cases, as with Perry’s claim that Zimmerman clearly “disobeyed” the dispatcher, the audio evidence is that, at least immediately after he was informed of the dispatcher’s opinion, he did not disregard it, but verbally acknowledged it and signaled his conformity.

    Did Zimmerman later go back on his acknowledgement and signal of cooperation? I don’t know.

    Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, said at a news conference today, “All I’ve got to say is they killed my son, and now they’re trying to kill his reputation.”

  87. “Another follow-up question: Why do you keep erroneously stating Zimmerman’s weight? Why are you racist for disputing his black friend’s comments:”

    Covered in the comment in mod. Why do you believe any transparently biased bullsh*t if it validates the white guy’s story?

    Once again:

    Do any of the right-wing commentators here believe, really, that if Zimmerman had been black and Martin white, the Sanford Police wouldn’t have arrested Zimmerman?

    Do any of the right-wing commentators here believe, honestly,really, believe that if a 250 lb black guy had chased down and shot a 140 lb 17 year old white guy with a bag of skittles under identical circumstances, that THEY THEMSELVES would be going through the contortions and twisted logic above to try and justify the shooter as innocent?

    We both know the answer to those, Koolo, just as we know the reason why you’re squirming around trying to avoid even thinking about those questions.

  88. My grandson is less than half white. PIATOR, since you’re so smart, you do the math. Here, let me help you.

    My grandson is less than half white.
    That means he is the son of two parents, neither being fully white.
    That means his father’s parents were not both fully white.
    That means his mother’s parents were not both fully white.

    That means your “whitey” race card absolutely, without a doubt, fails here.

    Let’s take it a step further.

    My grandson is more black than Obama.
    Obama is half white and less than half black.
    My grandson is half black and less than half white.
    My daughter’s son is half black and less than half white.
    Obama is half white and less than half black.
    My grandson, my daughter’s son, is more black than Obama is.
    Obama is more white than my grandson, my daughter’s son.

    I am part Indian (feather) and part Mexican.
    My ex-wife is more Indian (feather) than am I.
    My daughter, while showing our very strong Irish heritage (and the Irish immigrants were persecuted, even to death, upon arrival in Boston and New York), is more Indian (feather) than am I (and we all “know” the terrible travails the Indian (feather) occupants of the land (of which I am descended) the white man wanted had).
    As I said, I’m part Mexican, as is my daughter (and we all “know” the terrible travails the Mexicans had, at the hands of the white man).
    My grandson’s father is fully black, his heritage dating back to the arrival in the US from Italy pre-1776, as free blacks (and, yes, black Italians willingly traveled to the US to live as freemen, back in the 17th and 18th centuries).

    While my great grandfather, whom I personally knew and loved most dearly, was half Irish Catholic, descended directly from an Irish citizen who immigrated to the US, I am also directly descended from citizens of the Republic of Texas, Mexicans and Indians (feather). My own heritage is one of European repression. And my grandson’s heritage as much so.

    So you race-baiting, absolutely racist Socialist clowns (PIATOR AND WAGONWHEEL) can kindly stuff it so far up your nether regions you can taste it in the back of your throats!

  89. “And a followup question for the wingnuts here – do they honestly, really, believe that if a 250 lb black guy had chased down and shot a 140 lb 17 year old white guy with a bag of skittles under identical circumstances, that THEY THEMSELVES would be going through the contortions and twisted logic above to try and justify the shooter as innocent?”

    Of course these scatter-brained racists would, koolo included.

    Stop obfuscating the issue here, koolo, which is that a black teenager has been murdered by a self-appointed neighborhood watchdog, who was also told not to do so but continued to invade Trayvon’s space anyway. Does it surprise anyone that this person should be attacked?

    And the murderer has yet to be arrested, a month after his alleged crime. Common sense and a sense of justice dictates that there is something seriously wrong in this case.

    Instead of justice, koolo and his right-wing racist compatriots have opted to politicize this issue. For shame!

    How about justice being served, koolo? Have you thought about that?

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