Ohio Issue 2 And 3 Vote Analysis And Governor Kasich Response

Last night, Ohio Issue 2 went down in defeat while Issue 3 was victorious. Almost immediately after the outcome was decided, and well before all the counting had been completed, Governor Kasich sent me an email.

The final unofficial results show Issue 2 failed 39 percent to 61 percent, with those voting for Issue 2 numbering 1,351,543 and those voting against Issue 2 numbering 2,143,792. 5 of the 88 counties reached above 50 percent yes votes, while in 1 more county, the yes vote won a 50/50 margin. In 3 additional counties, the yes vote lost a 50/50 margin. That means the 79 other counties contributed an even more lopsided defeat.

The Public Employee Unions spent millions of tax-payer dollars to defeat Issue 2, and not just Ohio tax-payer dollars, but Pennsylvania tax-payer money, California tax-payer money, Massachusetts tax-payer money, … You get the picture. Because all Public Employee Union dues are tax-payer dollars. Every last cent of them. PEUs won the ability to continue extorting exorbitant benefits packages and pay packages that are head and shoulders above that of the private sector workplace that pays them.

What does this mean for Ohio, moving forward? It means fewer teachers, fewer firefighters, fewer police officers at higher costs. Because the State, local municipalities, public school districts will need to find a different method to reduce their costs than to bring PEU benefits packages closer in line with the average Joe’s benefits package. And that means reducing the workforce. And possibly even increasing taxes on the backs of the people who are already over-taxed and over-burdened as it is. It means a less business friendly environment and less economic opportunity in Ohio, at a time when Ohio is just starting to turn the corner on a very bad economic condition created by Big Government, anti-business folks who came before Governor Kasich.

And it means what progress was started in 2011 will be stymied at just the time the current President needs Ohio growth for the 2012 election. Can you say “pyrrhic victory”? Because that’s ultimately what this will be for the Democrats and their Union cohorts.

Issue 3 is a different matter. Issue 3 was the direct result of ObamaCare, a counter to ObamaCare, an attempt to bring ObamaCare to a screeching halt. And it was passed in dramatic fashion. In fact, it was passed in a much more dramatic fashion than the Issue 2 failure. Issue 3 passed 66 percent to 34 percent, with the final unofficial vote count being 2,219,717 for and 1,162,731 against. This spells trouble for Democrats come the 2012 election cycle. Republicans can use ObamaCare against Democrats running for office and that will harm Democrat chances. But the county-by-county numbers are even worse for the Democrats, as not a single county voted against Issue 3. Not even the solidly Democrat counties. Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) voted 58 percent to 42 percent in favor of Issue 3. Lorain County (Lorain, big city suburb of Cleveland and home to a Ford assembly plant) voted 65 percent to 35 percent in favor of Issue 3. Summit County (Akron, think steel and Firestone tires) voted 64 percent to 36 percent in favor of Issue 3. Stark County (Canton, next-door neighbor to Akron and home of Pro Football Hall of Fame) voted 66 percent to 34 percent in favor of Issue 3. Franklin County (Columbus, Ohio’s Capitol with Ohio State University and Nationwide Insurance) voted 59 percent to 41 percent in favor of Issue 3. No county voted Issue 3 down.

Issue 2 will effect 2012 but in reverse fashion and behind the scenes. The defeat of Issue 2 will bring economic and tax harm to Ohio, driving people to vote more Republican in the 2012 elections. But Issue 2 won’t get the blame. Issue 3 will directly effect 2012 as it will be the proof needed for Republicans to hammer Democrats on their support of ObamaCare when 2/3 of Ohio voters declared Ohio needed an anti-ObamaCare Constitutional Amendment to stop the Democrat leadership from doing what it did.

All in all, don’t expect Obama to win Ohio in 2012. In fact, expect Sherrod Brown to have a very difficult time being re-elected to the US Senate. And expect Democrats to not gain any ground in the US House out of Ohio.
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Cross-Posted on Truth Before Dishonor

17 Comments

  1. Here’s something to consider: Trumka’s Union thugs did everything they could to get out the vote to defeat issue 2. And they succeeded. But those people who came out to defeat Issue 2 also voted in favor of Issue 3, which is not what the Unions were gunning for when they pumped millions of dollars shilling for ObamaCare prior to its party-line-vote passage.

    What does that tell you?

    It tells me that even the unintelligent rubes who will by the Big Union lies cannot stomach ObamaCare, despite Big Union/Big Government/Democrat support for ObamaCare.

  2. Issue 2 should have read “Raise my taxes and support Union Dues with My money”, then vote “Yes”. And the other side of Issue is let the people control the cost of Government by starving the Union Dues Beast that siphons my tax dollars by voting “No”. It was clear as day what they did, but I guess they have spare money to throw away on higher taxes. Kasich said I got you out of the hole you dug, and we’re not going to uncover it again. You’re on your own.

    It’s been reported that each public Union member was assessed $54 each to pay for this. Payback will probably be a point of negotiations next time around.

  3. American workers have the right to be represented by unions if they so desire, and as the results of Ohio Issue 2 reiterate.

    Moreover, employers, whether they be public or private, do not have the right to deprive workers of this representation, else be accused of quashing the First Amendment rights of workers.

    You folks have no qualms about supporting the “personhood” of corporations (and unions, and fetuses), but would readily deprive an individual person of his “personhood” regarding negotiating his salary and working conditions. Yours is not the “American way”, as our history and Constitution so dramatically reveal over time!

  4. You folks have no qualms about supporting the “personhood” of corporations (and unions, and fetuses), but would readily deprive an individual person of his “personhood” regarding negotiating his salary and working conditions. Yours is not the “American way”, as our history and Constitution so dramatically reveal over time!

    Give qualitative documtation of your assertions, “wagonwheel”, or admit you are merely spreading radical Leftist propaganda and lies. And since you cannot give any qualitative documentation of your assertions, and never had any intentions of doing so, all you produced was radical Leftist propaganda and lies that person with critical thinking skills would ever accept.

    No, “wagonwheel”, you are going to have to do far better than your standard issue arse pulls. Seriously, if that is all you have — just a bunch of outrageous slander — “wagonwheel”, get lost. And don’t let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you.

  5. Mr. Hitchcock, let me quote from the Editor’s “Comments and Conduct Policy”:

    “While I always support the free expression of ideas, constant name-calling and personal attacks will receive the same treatment they’d get were someone to submit such as a Letter to the Editor in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL or The New York Times. Repeat violators will simply have all of their comments deleted. “

    This did not take you long; you are already in violation. Let us see if the Editor will live up to his/her rules.

    With regard to my statement which produced your outburst, it is my opinion as expressed. The SCOTUS, in their Citizens’ United decision, expanded the definition of personhood to include corporations and unions. And the recently enacted Mississippi law granting the title of personhood to a fetus. I disagree with both of these actions. You have every right to have a position in opposition, but you would do well to keep your temper in check, assuming you can do so!

  6. No, “wagonwheel”, it was an arse pull you made with absolutely no backing whatsoever. You shall henceforth restrain yourself from such propagandistic arse pulls on my articles or your propagandistic arse pulls shall be deleted forthwith.

  7. WW wrote:

    American workers have the right to be represented by unions if they so desire, and as the results of Ohio Issue 2 reiterate.

    Moreover, employers, whether they be public or private, do not have the right to deprive workers of this representation, else be accused of quashing the First Amendment rights of workers.

    Employers do, and should, have the right to choose not to deal with anybody they choose. If the workers can, by unionizing, present a situation in which companies of governments find it more profitable do deal with the unions than to incur the costs of strikes and training replacement workers, then that’s their business.

    What Ohio and Wisconsin were doing was to state that they would not deal with unions on certain issues. If the employees wished to cease working for those states due to that, that is the right of the workers. If they wish to set up non-violent picket lines, to protest workers who wish to continue, or replacement workers hired by the states, they have that right as well.

  8. Per Wagonwheel wrote:

    With regard to my statement which produced your outburst, it is my opinion as expressed. The SCOTUS, in their Citizens’ United decision, expanded the definition of personhood to include corporations and unions.

    This is incorrect. Corporations have been recognized as persons for the purposes of the law for well over a century. You may believe that it is wrong to recognize corporations as legal purposes, but to state that the Supreme Court, “in their Citizens’ United decision, expanded the definition of personhood to include corporations and unions,” is factually wrong.

  9. I agree! This is the way it is.

    However, the same standard does not apply to public employees who have the right to state their grievances in the form of a public protest without the loss of their jobs. The same standard should apply by law to private companies, but at this point in time this is not the law.

    This is an excellent example of the fact that the First Amendment is not treated as an absolute, contrary to your prior stated interpretation. Punishing a private company employee who stands in protest of compensation or workplace conditions is in reality a violation of his First Amendment rights when applying an absolutist standard to the First Amendment.

  10. I might add that this is exactly the issue upon which Governor Walker of WI has been challenged by the citizens of that state, to the point such that two state senators have already been successfully recalled, and the Governor himself might well be recalled! Voters are indicating that going after unions in this manner represents one step too far!!

  11. I am continually finding myself having to take out the trash. I have deleted more comments from Perry “wagonwheel”. Now, “wagonwheel”, if you had a single honest bone in your body, you would admit that I have allowed multiple comments from you on CSPT and this site through. But since you do not have an honorable bone in your body, you cannot admit the Truth.

    You, “wagonwheel”, are in danger of entering the moderation filter. If you continue trying to repost trash that I have already deleted, you will likely find yourself in moderation. At that point, all your comments will have to be approved prior to being viewable by the public. It really is up to you whether you enter the moderation queue or no.

    As I said previously, there is a reason why I am an administrator on this new blog and you are not (and you will not be an administrator here, ever). And that reason is that we are both known commodities. You can make up all sorts of excuses and lies as to why that is, but until you clean up your act and admit your own behavior has been and continues to be inappropriate, you will face possible moderation and deletion very frequently.

    This is my last public clarification and warning for you, “wagonwheel”. Shape up or ship out, or, failing that, find your comments moderated and/or deleted.

  12. (Line deleted by DRP; personal attack)

    “Here we go again with Mr. Hitchcock, (characterization deleted; personal attack.) Apparently he does not wish for me to express my opinion, as he is saying that if he disagrees, he will delete it. This is not in keeping with the “Conduct and Comment Policy” outlined by our Editor.

    Editor, (deleted: personal attack)

    And here is the code of this blog as written by the editor in his “Comments and Conduct Policy:

    “While I always support the free expression of ideas, constant name-calling and personal attacks will receive the same treatment they’d get were someone to submit such as a Letter to the Editor in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL or The New York Times. Repeat violators will simply have all of their comments deleted.”

    [Emphasis added by DRP]

    As you can see, Mr. Hitchcock has shown himself here to be unwilling to abide the “free expression of ideas”. Obviously, Mr. Hitchcock is (deleted: personal attack). Obviously, Mr. Hitchcock is unwilling to honor the spirit of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. (deleted: personal attack).

  13. “Wagonwheel” has been placed in moderation until further notice. For his continued attempts to place deleted material on this blog site (two more deleted comments after my most recent warning), his comments will now need approval before public dissemination until such a time as the Editor decides otherwise.

  14. I can see why Mr Hitchcock deleted this comment the first time. I restored it, edited to indicate what parts violated the Comments and Conduct Policy. Perhaps you didn’t even realize it, but that’s what they were.

    One thing is clear: Mr Hitchcock and you really don’t like or respect each other that much. I would suggest that you simply do not engage him in debate, because the acrimony left over from CSPT has not abated. I’d suggest that Mr Hitchcock similarly refrain. But if the acrimony continues, I’ll state what ought to be obvious: I am not even handed on this, but am partial to Mr Hitchcock’s “side” for many reasons, some of which you do not know.

    If your neighbor doesn’t like you, and you know it, do you keep going over and knocking on his door?

  15. To be clear, I intentionally left this comment and another in the trash bin for the editor to examine when I could have eradicated both comments without possibility of salvage. This comment got severely edited by the editor before getting republished. The other comment did not get republished.

    I will continue taking out the trash as necessary.

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